Its Mid-2017, Is It Time To Abolish The Tipping Culture?

[Alpha Male]

Dude, you said the difference was the oath not, me. And you brought up bonuses instead of tips, not me.
I'm saying if the tip is such an incentive why isn't it used more in other service industries like medicine? It would seem more importance would require more motivation not less. The incentive narrative for wait staff is bullshyt IMO. That's it.

What kind of people do you think would start applying for waitering jobs if the tip incentive were removed and replaced with a fixed wage? Who would want that job? The ONLY reason people apply to be waiters is because of that incentive.

When you dine out ideally you want a pleasant dining experience. You want the server to be nice and friendly. You want someone who's knowledgeable about the menu and the restaurant. You want someone who's going to put EFFORT into their service.

Almost everyone at one point or another has gone to a restaurant and got stuck with a bad server. It can ruin your entire experience. Don't see why you would willingly wanna be served by someone who's just doing a job and doesn't care whther you leave happy or not.

 

[Pressure]

This is dumb if it we're really a solid motivator it would be used across the board. High end wait staff make a solid wage + tips, other more important service industries don't even take tips but are salaried. It's just a way to pay people more off the books.

In response to this statement I said in other jobs people aren't given tips, but instead are given bonuses by their employers. In my line of work it's a mixture of the income and customer satisfaction. That's sounds like what you are saying isn't there in other jobs. I gave you a clear example of where extra income that varies based on performance is used when I said:

In other jobs they're called bonuses and are paid by the employer. :BlackTrumpThought:

No doctors just make a lot of money for example. No tips/bonuses.

At this point you're saying doctors make a lot of money but don't make tips. I pointed out why this isn't a great example. Doctor's should, by nature not require bonuses because their job is based around health/life and death and they took an oath to do their job. Doctors pay is directly in line with their service. You would certainly not eat out if it cost as much as it does to go to the doctor. But to convey this i merely said:

Doctors, by trade and oath, should always do the best work.

Dude, you said the difference was the oath not, me. And you brought up bonuses instead of tips, not me.
I'm saying if the tip is such an incentive why isn't it used more in other service industries like medicine? It would seem more importance would require more motivation not less. The incentive narrative for wait staff is bullshyt IMO. That's it.

So in summary. I said the difference between doctors not having bonuses like other jobs that do it because of their oath, that places a burden on them to not only do their best work but to do no harm. Imagine a world where doctor's performed based on tips or bonuses? As I said, they aren't like for like service jobs and the prices for doctor's service is fixed.

Imagine the Doctor's office working like the barber shop where person A get's a hookup on lifesaving treatment because they tipped better. If you want an example of this being addressed just look at organ transplant waiting lists. Imagine how that would work? Doctor throwing in a few extra pain pills because you tip them well.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

What kind of people do you think would start applying for waitering jobs if the tip incentive were removed and replaced with a fixed wage? Who would want that job? The ONLY reason people apply to be waiters is because of that incentive.

When you dine out ideally you want a pleasant dining experience. You want the server to be nice and friendly. You want someone who's knowledgeable about the menu and the restaurant. You want someone who's going to put EFFORT into their service.

Almost everyone at one point or another has gone to a restaurant and got stuck with a bad server. It can ruin your entire experience. Don't see why you would willingly wanna be served by someone who's just doing a job and doesn't care whther you leave happy or not.

So there are no doctors, lawyers, nurses politicians 'just doing a job and doesn't care whether you leave happy, well, free or represented?' The reason you are giving applies to every service profession.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Another thing, I think says so much about "American" cultural values in in terms of inequality is how it's socially acceptable to NOT tip, or create a "Hunger Games" scenario for the server, "oh, no water refill, she's not getting a tip", I don't even pay attention to the service for the most part, and I'll tip the max or close, regardless. It's beneath me to try to assert "power" over someone less financially secure then me.

Hunger games????
Reallyyy???
Breh its not that bad calm down.
And asserting power??? You are being an alarmist.
This is not isolated to waitors/waitresesses either.
If a product sucks I wont buy it.
This is not about power, in fact if they expect a tip with shytty service then THEY must feel more powerful than you the customer.

What kind of people do you think would start applying for waitering jobs if the tip incentive were removed and replaced with a fixed wage? Who would want that job? The ONLY reason people apply to be waiters is because of that incentive.

Ridiculous!! You sound very badly informed.
People sign up to clean fukkin toilets with no tip and a poor salary, so dont worry you will still have candidates.
The ONLY reason they apply is for tips?
Dude you do know that tips are a new thing right?
We went through decades with no tips

 

[AnonymityX1000]

In response to this statement I said in other jobs people aren't given tips, but instead are given bonuses by their employers. In my line of work it's a mixture of the income and customer satisfaction. That's sounds like what you are saying isn't there in other jobs. I gave you a clear example of where extra income that varies based on performance is used when I said:




At this point you're saying doctors make a lot of money but don't make tips. I pointed out why this isn't a great example. Doctor's should, by nature not require bonuses because their job is based around health/life and death and they took an oath to do their job. Doctors pay is directly in line with their service. You would certainly not eat out if it cost as much as it does to go to the doctor. But to convey this i merely said:




So in summary. I said the difference between doctors not having bonuses like other jobs that do it because of their oath, that places a burden on them to not only do their best work but to do no harm. Imagine a world where doctor's performed based on tips or bonuses? As I said, they aren't like for like service jobs and the prices for doctor's service is fixed.

Imagine the Doctor's office working like the barber shop where person A get's a hookup on lifesaving treatment because they tipped better. If you want an example of this being addressed just look at organ transplant waiting lists. Imagine how that would work? Doctor throwing in a few extra pain pills because you tip them well.

Dummy, I'm not advocating for doctors to receive tips. I'm advocating for wait staff to make a salary. And there are levels to salaries, no a waiter waitress shouldn't make as much as a doctor. But they should make more so they don't rely on tips.
And Newsflash: doctors don't always do their best work and sometimes do harm despite the oath. You holding that up for a reason for anything is dumb.

 

[re'up]

People sign up to clean toilets and wait on you because it's a fiscal imperative, due to the socioeconomic positions they were born in to. Your entitled stance is exactly the kind of behavior my post references. Abuse people who have little, to make yourself feel better about your own relative lack of affluence. At least you can push around a defenseless server.

 

[Alpha Male]

Ridiculous!! You sound very badly informed.
People sign up to clean fukkin toilets with no tip and a poor salary, so dont worry you will still have candidates.
The ONLY reason they apply is for tips?
Dude you do know that tips are a new thing right?
We went through decades with no tips

precisely what i'm saying, these people normally wouldn't get hired for waiting jobs.

but if you remove the incentive for more qualified people to apply, you just might get your wish. 'food server' and 'toilet cleaner' could end up being interchangeable positions.

next time you're in a gas station take a look at the dude cleaning the toilets and then ask yourself real hard if that's the kind of person you want waiting on you while you and your family are trying to have a nice time out.

 

[fact]

My mom was a waitress when she was in college, and we were young, so it has always been instilled in me to tip for good service, and I instill it in my daughter. I don't think, with what other posters in this thread have stated, the amount of folks in the service industry, that tipping will ever go away. Live and let live, I mean, if you don't tip, you don't tip, but if you ever expect it not to be looked down on, you are out of luck, but something tells me, if you don't want to tip, and decide not to tip, you don't fukking care what other people think, so

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

People sign up to clean toilets and wait on you because it's a fiscal imperative, due to the socioeconomic positions they were born in to. Your entitled stance is exactly the kind of behavior my post references. Abuse people who have little, to make yourself feel better about your own relative lack of affluence. At least you can push around a defenseless server.

Name me one profession where it is not a fiscal imperative.
Everyone has bills to pay dummy.
And lol at you calling ME entitled... Nice try LMAO

 

[AnonymityX1000]

precisely what i'm saying, these people normally wouldn't get hired for waiting jobs.

but if you remove the incentive for more qualified people to apply, you just might get your wish. 'food server' and 'toilet cleaner' could end up being interchangeable positions.

next time you're in a gas station take a look at the dude cleaning cleaning the toilets and then ask yourself real hard if that's the kind of person you want waiting on you while you and your family are trying to have a nice time out.

Your quote is marked with my screen name but I said none of that quote. How does that happen?

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Also tell me ppl...
What about people who cannot afford to tip?

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Your quote is marked with my screen name but I said none of that quote. How does that happen?

Liberals love to misquote.

 

[Alpha Male]

Your quote is marked with my screen name but I said none of that quote. How does that happen?

fixed, i was in the middle of responding to one of your posts. my bad.

 

[fact]

Also tell me ppl...
What about people who cannot afford to tip?

I would think that, under normal circumstances, you would not go out to eat, when you can get the food you want people to cook for you and bring to your table for you for 30-50% less at the supermarket.

 

[Alpha Male]

So there are no doctors, lawyers, nurses politicians 'just doing a job and doesn't care whether you leave happy, well, free or represented?' The reason you are giving applies to every service profession.

you acquire the services for those individuals under an entirely different set of conditions. you didn't ask for the nurse's services, but if you check into a hospital you're going to need a nurse. so a hospital needs nurses on staff.

when you dine out you are choosing to dine out and you are choosing to have someone serve on you hand and foot. a restaurant cannot guarantee a high level of service unless they have a motivated and qualified staff.

you won't have a motivated staff or a qualified staff at 8 bucks an hour.