J Cole always does great first week then he flops off the charts (KOD did too)

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I agree with this..


I think we all prefer shorter albums. It’s quality over quantity, always. We aren’t arguing that...

I’m just shining light on the fact that labels are encouraging longer projects to manipulate the numbers system. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but trust me when I say it’s a trend that not only exists but is encouraged and will continue to get much worse...


There’s a reason Tory Lanez debut album was 28 tracks, and full of skits..


You think that’s what he intended to release? It was everyone’s biggest complaint.. it’s all a numbers game right now, and keep in mind - you don’t have to play an entire song for it to equate into 1 stream..


artists with integrity might strive to put out quality projects, but these record labels don’t give a fukk about the listener unfortunately
That Torey Lanez album didn’t even go gold. I think you’re making a big deal out of nothing

Culture 1(13 songs)is going to outperform Culture 2 (23 songs) and that is what @GoldenGlove is saying
 

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The issue isn't whether it flopped or not - it did not flop. But as with his last album, this one seems to be fading faster than you'd expect. To me this signals that his fanbase is still strong, but he's not expanding. I fear Cole is hurting his career with this insular stuff. In many ways Cole had a perfect set of circumstances for this album release. Big demand, well received, and Kanye's meltdown allowed Cole to get even more PR via his tweet (as well as him calling Kanye on the phone). The album's concept/point became a point of major focus...and the second week still saw a big drop, with no of the songs catching on with radio. That's not great.

Cole will be fine. I'm not saying this should have performed like More Life/Views or DAMN. And this is only the second week so we can't go crazy with hot takes lol. Let's see how things go from here. It doesn't seem to have the type of hits needed for maintained big sales tho. We'll see.
 

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thought these were streaming numbers. my bad if its not.
It's all numbers, it did 174k in "traditional" and about 220k in streaming.
For a comparison, Drake with More Life did 363k in "traditional sales" in total over a year, 226k of those in the first week.

Generally it follows the same logic the "I'm listening to this cause it's buzzing on the internet"-crowd and the people who don't like it won't listen at all after their first time or first few times. This accumulated leads to a major drop after the first week.
 
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I agree with this..


I think we all prefer shorter albums. It’s quality over quantity, always. We aren’t arguing that...

I’m just shining light on the fact that labels are encouraging longer projects to manipulate the numbers system. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but trust me when I say it’s a trend that not only exists but is encouraged and will continue to get much worse...


There’s a reason Tory Lanez debut album was 28 tracks, and full of skits..


You think that’s what he intended to release? It was everyone’s biggest complaint.. it’s all a numbers game right now, and keep in mind - you don’t have to play an entire song for it to equate into 1 stream..


artists with integrity might strive to put out quality projects, but these record labels don’t give a fukk about the listener unfortunately
It's not a numbers game. It's created to reflect how much money the artist is generating. That's why they chose 1500 streams for 1 sale cause that's approximately the license holder receiving on average 8-15 bucks. Depending on platform and other factors.

And just cause you have 100 tracks, doesn't mean that people will spend 8 hours per day listening to your shyt. As far as one song driving an album, that's not very different from how it was. Back in the days people would buy an album for 2 songs they fukked with.

PS More than half of Tony Lanez skits didn't even register as songs cause they are under 30 seconds, one is even 29 seconds. If he was playing numbers games don't you think he would add 1 second?
 
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The issue isn't whether it flopped or not - it did not flop. But as with his last album, this one seems to be fading faster than you'd expect. To me this signals that his fanbase is still strong, but he's not expanding. I fear Cole is hurting his career with this insular stuff. In many ways Cole had a perfect set of circumstances for this album release. Big demand, well received, and Kanye's meltdown allowed Cole to get even more PR via his tweet (as well as him calling Kanye on the phone). The album's concept/point became a point of major focus...and the second week still saw a big drop, with no of the songs catching on with radio. That's not great.

Cole will be fine. I'm not saying this should have performed like More Life/Views or DAMN. And this is only the second week so we can't go crazy with hot takes lol. Let's see how things go from here. It doesn't seem to have the type of hits needed for maintained big sales tho. We'll see.
I actually think the Kanye shyt switched the discussion up a bit as well.

People stopped talking about KOD after Kanye's commentary completely
 

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Cole fan for almost a decade and I never listened to it a second time :sas2:
 
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