J Cole should be higher on peoples list than Fab, Cam and Jada all time

[Spidey Man]

I like Cole but he ain't even seeing Q Tip. Stop the cap lol.

Tribe has 3 classics in a row and tip has numerous classics as a producer. All 4 MCs on this list can't match his contribution combined

 

[CoolinInTheCut]

Kendrick goes deep and people still penalize him for not being 92 Cube hurling epithets at white folks and dreaming of unloading AKs on them, and/or being artsy-fartsy safe hipster rap.

The other thing is Cole never came out wishing to carry the conscious rapper torch, this was given to him and now he's being asked by folks like y'all to embody a standard. He's about as everyman as it gets, and the average dude may be aware of certain things but don't have enough conviction towards it to force others attention on it. Cole is that.

Funny enough nobody penalizes the other subjects of this thread for not talking about much.

I dont think anyone was mad at Kendrick's writing on his last album, people were saluting his writing on songs like Father Time and Mother I Sober.

People were mad at the musical direction. They wanted an album full of hits like DAMN or GKMC. They didnt want some therapeutical art piece.

No ones asking Cole to carry a torch lol. Its like someone said earlier in this thread: Cole is a A+ student who keeps turning in B+ papers. Everyone knows hes got a classic in him, but he hasnt been able to achieve that yet. Making surface level topical songs about social issues or Twitter topics is low hanging fruit for dude and his skill set.

If he can make an album with 12-14 4YEO outro-level songs, hes easily got a classic.

How is Kendrick deeper?

A song like “brackets” pointing out tax allocation being put into gun manufacturers through defense bills or cop budget increases and those same guns ending up in our community is not deep? Or what about a song like “high for hours”calling out this country hypocrisy in foreign affairs? His response to Noname calling him out was at least thought provoking unlike Kendrick on “Savior”.

Its not deep because this is shyt that everyone already understands. These are topics and thoughts that Cole is recycling from other places. There's nothing original, thought provoking or enlightening.

So these songs dont serve any real purpose. Especially when they're not even fun to bump.

 

[Larry]

He is, in the real world


Message board users are niche. Not a real representation of real life

 

[HARLEM AL]

Cam, fab or kiss can match ross musically. Or even come close if we being truly honestly

Ross never cared to do what they did. That was a nyc thing. Trying to drop a bunch of punches.

Instead he worried bout making albums and it’s why he will be ranked above all.

Nobody gives a fukk about fab mixtapes or kids tapes out the tri state

Came made good albums tho

Nobody cares about Ross albums. Most of those shyts were mid. His best work was a mixtape. Which is someone that Joe knows have him ranked at 13. Honestly that’s to high imo. He doesn’t even crack top 20.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Nobody cares about Ross albums. Most of those shyts were mid. His best work was a mixtape. Which is someone that Joe knows have him ranked at 13. Honestly that’s to high imo. He doesn’t even crack top 20.

A lot of top have him higher. Most people don’t have kiss, fab or cam top 13

All Ross up until god forgives and I don’t is better then every kiss and fab solo

 

[Shadow King]

I dont think anyone was mad at Kendrick's writing on his last album, people were saluting his writing on songs like Father Time and Mother I Sober.

People were mad at the musical direction. They wanted an album full of hits like DAMN or GKMC. They didnt want some therapeutical art piece.

No ones asking Cole to carry a torch lol. Its like someone said earlier in this thread: Cole is a A+ student who keeps turning in B+ papers. Everyone knows hes got a classic in him, but he hasnt been able to achieve that yet. Making surface level topical songs about social issues or Twitter topics is low hanging fruit for dude and his skill set.

If he can make an album with 12-14 4YEO outro-level songs, hes easily got a classic.



Its not deep because this is shyt that everyone already understands. These are topics and thoughts that Cole is recycling from other places. There's nothing original, thought provoking or enlightening.

So these songs dont serve any real purpose. Especially when they're not even fun to bump.

The writing on Kendrick's last album lends to going the opposite direction of hits, and plenty of folks wasn't fukking with it. And that issue isn't exclusive to this album, it's the case since TPAB.

Just because it isn't explicitly stated doesn't mean it's not the case. There is an idea that Cole should be lean into the conscious lane if he's not going to run with typical rapping subject matter. If we believe he's an A+ student he's already better than the 3 older artists named since he has that on top of a more consistent and, to me, better discography.

Those records you responded to are not shallow or corny, or commonly thought of or understood by everyone. Who's talking about these things right now? This is coming across now as "the brats don't bump so I don't want to hear it".

 

[CoolinInTheCut]

The writing on Kendrick's last album lends to going the opposite direction of hits, and plenty of folks wasn't fukking with it. And that issue isn't exclusive to this album, it's the case since TPAB.

Just because it isn't explicitly stated doesn't mean it's not the case. There is an idea that Cole should be lean into the conscious lane if he's not going to run with typical rapping subject matter. If we believe he's an A+ student he's already better than the 3 older artists named since he has that on top of a more consistent and, to me, better discography.

Those records you responded to are not shallow or corny, or commonly thought of or understood by everyone. Who's talking about these things right now? This is coming across now as "the brats don't bump so I don't want to hear it".

Cole does not have a stronger catalog than those 3 rappers lol. Cmon fam.

With Fab, maybe, but Fab made his name rapping on other people's beats and songs. If you take all those verses, hes killing Cole too.

And you're forgetting that whole 2-3 year era Cole was called corny by the internet and Cole pulled up on Adam22 at the No Jumper store. He's obviously changed his image a lot since then.

 

[Shadow King]

Cole does not have a stronger catalog than those 3 rappers lol. Cmon fam.

With Fab, maybe, but Fab made his name rapping on other people's beats and songs. If you take all those verses, hes killing Cole too.

And you're forgetting that whole 2-3 year era Cole was called corny by the internet and Cole pulled up on Adam22 at the No Jumper store. He's obviously changed his image a lot since then.

He does. I don't reward people for good mixtapes and mid albums. Jada and Fab in particular are for most fans are worse offenders of "great talent, mid output".

I don't understand the relevance of the Adam 22 situation and barely remember it. If you're trying to say that pulling up on someone is a deviation from an everyman image, it isn't.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Cole better than Jada? Nah not even close. I would say he’s a technically a better rapper than Cam and Fab but certainly not a better artist than either.

Cole is better than jada

jada has one flow with predictable punchlines. It’s reason all his a;bums are garbage.same for Fab

 

[Suspicions]

He’s a better rapper than Cam and Fab stop it

Cam ain’t no scrub. He can get cole

 

[Suspicions]

Cole is better than jada

jada has one flow with predictable punchlines. It’s reason all his a;bums are garbage.same for Fab

If Kiss hadn’t been following the life after death formula for the past twenty years he’d have better albums. Not going to factor this in but if you trim the fat off his first three albums they’re really solid but that doesn’t count.

Let Jada do something with alchemist EP’d by Westside Gunn like how he mentioned and we would have a easy classic

Yes he has the same cadence but it’s a strong great cadence that kept him in the game 20+ years

 

[CrimsonTider]

If Kiss hadn’t been following the life after death formula for the past twenty years he’d have better albums. Not going to factor this in but if you trim the fat off his first three albums they’re really solid but that doesn’t count.

Let Jada do something with alchemist EP’d by Westside Gunn like how he mentioned and we would have a easy classic

Yes he has the same cadence but it’s a strong great cadence that kept him in the game 20+ years

“IF”

 

[FappleMeOff]

Tbh I’d rather listen to Cole than Fab any day of the week

Cole better than Cam or Jada?

 

[Piff Perkins]

Cole is better than jada

jada has one flow with predictable punchlines. It’s reason all his a;bums are garbage.same for Fab

Jada's albums being meh to bad have nothing to do with his rap style and everything to do with him being a meh ARTIST who picked trendy beats. Kiss The Game Goodbye starts with some classic tracks and then devolves into a flurry of radio attempts that don't work. You take Show Discipline, We Gon Make It, None Of Yall Better, add a few more bangers in that vein, throw in two of the better radio attempts and suddenly you have a far better album. But you'd need to be a better artist to recognize that was the play, versus what he did - spent all his budget recording in Orlando and buying all the beats he thought would make him a star.

 

[CoolinInTheCut]

He does. I don't reward people for good mixtapes and mid albums. Jada and Fab in particular are for most fans are worse offenders of "great talent, mid output".

I don't understand the relevance of the Adam 22 situation and barely remember it. If you're trying to say that pulling up on someone is a deviation from an everyman image, it isn't.

Cole pulled up on Adam cause Adam kept pushing the "J Cole is boring" meme that was popular at the time.

And you should be considering all of the artist's work, not just studio albums. We do this for Cole anyways by including Friday Night Lights and The Warm Up, which are arguably his best albums. And nothing Cole has ever dropped has come close to We Are The Streets.