J Cole The Fall Off 2/6 Anticipation and Discussion thread

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Everything I like about Cole and everything that frustrates me about him distilled in 100 minutes. He's a remarkable lyricist, and the messages he often spreads is shyt people need to hear. But he never, ever strays very far from his comfort zone, and that's always going to limit the impact of his albums. I wish he had an A&R that pushed him and forced him to dig deeper creatively.

I can't even use the typical criticism of double albums (if you picked out the 10 best tracks and deleted the rest) because so many of the tracks are just fine and blend into one another. It's good, but I don't think I'll return for a few months.

To be honest, Cole just isn't talented enough to venture out too far. And he knows that. There's really not much else he can do. He's not a great writer anymore. He should have surrounded himself with great musicians that could help him take his artistry to another level. That's why he never really evolved much.

 

[RIPODB]

This is the kind of music we used to make fun of Drake for making

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yeah Drum and Bass is HARD()

Cole at his best.

 

[Ziggiy]

This is the kind of music we used to make fun of Drake for making

Drake in his entire career has never made a song as good as Safety, Legacy, Bunce Road Blues or The Fall-Off is Inevitable, even with his ever-evolving team of ghostwriters

Ya’ll just saying silly shyt at this point.

 

[Theo Penn]

Cole needs an executive producer bad.

Album sounds half baked. Atrocious beat selection.

His various interpolations of other rappers make no sense.

Album is mid at best.

Time to hang it up, because he is not better than JID.

 

[Left.A1]

A lot of these sound like Lawbry throw aways also, like “Two-Six” definitely feels crafted right out the OVO sweatshop

 

[Metal Face]

so on this album we got

Nas rewind flip
Luda flip
2 Mobb Deep flips
Common flip
Him rapping as 2pac and biggie
Using Eminem's flow

90s STILL RUN HIP HOP

 

[Theo Penn]

Never been a Cole fan but I gave this a spin.

I don't get the direction here or the sequencing. There's trap drums on one song then there's boom bap/jazzy production the next two, then back to trap. Either stick to a consistent sound and put some songs together on one side so it's cohesive. Better yet just cut it all down to 12 songs because most of this isn't memorable.

I was feeling Bunce Road Blues but the singing at the end didn't need to be there. It just made it drag for too long. The Let Out is terrible. He might need to work with one producer if he does another album so he can be reigned in. I can't see how he listened to this and thought it's fine as is.

Why are you recycling two Mobb Deep beats and a concepts from Common and Nas? As much time he spent making this he should've been able to do his own thing.

I don't find him engaging lyrically. It's just word salad because there's nothing interesting about his persona. He might have some good verses here and there but a lot of them feel contrived and his story telling just falls flat.

This ain't for me and I doubt I'll revisit anything on here.

EXACTLY. The sequencing is nonsensical. There is no direction.

He needs to stop rapping on his own beats. Executive production is a lost art with these niccas producing out of their own cribs.

The Mobb Deep joint with the OutKast hook? WTF

The DMX hook, the Usher interpolation. What are you doing?

Two Six hook sound like Skee Yee

Future and Tems joint sound disjointed AF.

Nicca used the J Lo Jenny from the Block flow on one joint.

Common and Nas concepts. Running out of ideas.

The Biggie and PAC joint? He is tone deaf. The last person that should be delivering this message.

So vanilla and predictable. No chances taken. Monotonous shyt that you can’t feel.

Double disc why? Watered down mid.

 

[TGainz]

On my first listen, played it while I was working out on break up to Poor Thang.

I had to ease into it, I liked Two Six but it didn’t blow me away… plus I can’t play it like that if I drive through little village

SAFETY was cool except for certain parts


Now Run A Train … that was some heat, that’s my favorite track so far, I’ll probably spin it again when I continue my listen.

Poor Thang, I like that track too, great one to spin right after Run A Train.. I’m looking forward to picking back up on it later today

 

[Redwood]

Album isn't that bad so far. Comments gassing this album is another story though

Cole IS spitting, I'll give him that.

 

[spliz]

So if you compare it amongst Scorpion and Mr Morale where you putting it?

This is better than both of those.

 

[spliz]

Double

 

[spliz]

Thing is. If u do a double album. It gotta be full of bangers or it’s gonna feel like a chore to get thru. That’s why All Eyez On Me, Life After Death and Diplomatic Immunity are my top 3 double albums. Art Of War and Wu Tang Forever round out the top 5.

 

[Deafheaven]

I gave this a very fair and generous listen...

first disc teeters between fine and good. the Pluto tracks far away the best ones and only ones I'll revisit. That second disc though my god everything bad about jcole. boring, trash beats, no conviction.

my biggest problem with breh is for one of the most geniunely sincere rappers out there, this rarely comes across in his music. His attempts at it are bumbling and corny. The song he was talking about his gay friend was so terribly conveyed that he was trying to be repentent until he had to flat out say it.

The biggest offender on this was that I used to love her song. Rappers need to just dead this, Common did and did it better than anyone else already. It just once again came off as shallow, fabricated, corny shyt.


salute to cole fans I'm sure ya'll loving this but that boy is an acquired taste. I thought he was bout to go that next level after johnny ps but I see that was literally a flash in a pan moment.

 

[SNG]

Double

nikka you really responding to yourself on this shyt