J COLE where are you?

[Stone]

He let Kenny and the machine behind the battle/rollout singlehandedly derail what was going to be the defining moment of his career…shyt is absolutely wild when you think about it… it’s ironic because that was actually the most poignant part of 7 Minute Drill to me

Your third shyt was massive and that was your prime
I was trailin' right behind, and I just now hit mine
Now I'm front of the line with a comfortable lead
How ironic, soon as I got it, now he want somethin' with me
Well, he caught me at the perfect time, jump up and see
Boy, I got here off of bars, not no controversy
…..
The rap beef ain't realer than the shyt I seen in Cumberland
He averagin' one hard verse like every 30 months or somethin'
If he wasn't dissin', then we wouldn't be discussin' him

He called the play…Cole spent years building up his momentum with authentically impactful feature verses and The Fall Off was anticipated as his run at the top of the card after years as the junior partner of “the big 3”…Kenny swooped in with beef as a rollout after seeing Drake and Cole run it up in the wake of the “my auntie is a man” album dud…and instead of saying fukk it and going for his, the nikka surrendered and made it a self fulfilling prophecy…he’s fukking ashamed of himself, probably had to scrap the album because it sounded ridiculous in the face of such cowardice…he’s never getting that moment back

Shameful

Were those features really impactful though or were people just bored?

 

[Ziggiy]

Cole admitted on record that he still feels like he's behind Drake and Kendrick. This was the same year he dropped arguably his best album and proved that his feature run made him a better songwriter.



I don't know if he was telling the truth on "7 Minute Drill" or he just wrote a diss track because he felt like he needed to respond to the "Like That" verse. It's obvious Kendrick was talking to Drake, but Cole put himself in a position where everyone thought he wanted to win the war. Then the response to the track was lukewarm, Cole wasn't able to eat solid food for two days, and he took it back like it was a joke. Then months later, he brought the issue back up and said "I saw where things were going.......but don't think for one second, I wouldn't have taken it there if I decided to take it where it needed to be taken. I just didn't." I'm pretty sure he lost Drake's friendship after the apology and they don't speak anymore.

My point is, Cole shouldn't have even bothered with it if he knew he wasn't a wartime rapper. It was never his fight.

Cole had cause when Kendrick said “Mutha fukk the big 3/ its just big ME!”. Yes the rest of his Like That verse was aimed squarely at Drake but the big 3 line was Cole’s line and Kendrick said he was the best and thats enough to engage in a battle if Cole really felt like lacing em up.

We all know what happened afterwards so no need to rehash but Cole, as an MC , was well within his rights to take offense as a RAPPER and challenge Dot. 7 Minute Drill was just that, a RAP battle song, no personal insults, no family name dropping. Cole just didn’t have the heart for it and bowed out when, like you said, he should have just never said a damn word if he didn’t really want war.

I really don’t think Drake had/has any reason to be mad at Cole and withdraw friendship, if they were ever truly friends to begin with. Drake’s issues with Kendrick were personal in nature while Cole/Kendrick would have been nothing more than a contest for the number 1 headband. I could see Drake, as an MC, being disappointed that Cole withdrew but Cole don’t owe Drake a damn thing when it comes to how the battle played out. It would have been corny as fukk for them to “team up” against one rapper and made both of them look weak. Cole even directly acknowledged that Drake had done a lot for him throughout his career and he appreciated it. And he did it AFTER Kendrick threw down the gauntlet and said that anyone sympathetic to Drake was an opp in his eyes.

Basically the outcome of the battle doesn’t reflect on Cole, it reflects entirely on Drake, his actions, and how he handled himself. Just like Cole has to live with how his legacy will be perceived from here on out for not battling, Drake has to live with the dame thing but with choosing to engage.

 

[drifter]

Jermaine we need ya…

 

[Ziggiy]

Y'all nikkas sound like some h0es. Y'all mad cuz he wont engage with Kenny. When you aint got shyt to prove you don't need the theatrics. Whats to be gained? Respect from a bunch of no name nikkascsuch as yourselves? You nikkas are fickle ass fans. FOH

If he felt like he didn’t have shyt to prove he wouldn’t have commissioned a beat, wrote lyrics, stepped in the booth, recorded a song, mixed it, mastered it, sequenced it on his album, and released it for public consumption. That he had a change of heart later doesn’t negate that he felt he needed to respond.

 

[RAX 010]

Y'all nikkas sound like some h0es. Y'all mad cuz he wont engage with Kenny. When you aint got shyt to prove you don't need the theatrics. Whats to be gained? Respect from a bunch of no name nikkascsuch as yourselves? You nikkas are fickle ass fans. FOH

First of all:
Negged

Second of all:
He did engage that was his choice he didn't have to but to fall back the way he did was detrimental to his career ...don't blame the fans for being fickle I was rooting for homie ..still kinda am but I lost a lot of respect for him unfortunately

 

[L $ C]

People talk about how bad the battle was for Drake, and it was.....it was AWFUL for Cole. holy chit do yall remember the momentum he had 2023 going into 24? kenny hurt him worse than drake shyt is awful

everyone lost in that battle but kendrick- Cole , rocky, ross, all took sizable Ls also

 

[L $ C]

the suing by drake I agree is chit, but aside from that thats why a lot of yall piss me off with your Drake takes, yeah he lost but he battled, he gave it his all for a week writting disses on the spot (and as a number 1 slot guy not just hip hop but artist in world damn near and still gave you bars)....and yeah he lost but we all won from it as a hip hop community and provided an amazing moment.....Cole on the other had wadded in and out and hes the one always talking about his pen...that wasnt drake or kenny...that was always Cole dont forget

 

[L $ C]

lemme just say i love cole and his music too...and might delete later was dope af .....doesnt change how i feel

 

[L $ C]

Cole had cause when Kendrick said “Mutha fukk the big 3/ its just big ME!”. Yes the rest of his Like That verse was aimed squarely at Drake but the big 3 line was Cole’s line and Kendrick said he was the best and thats enough to engage in a battle if Cole really felt like lacing em up.

We all know what happened afterwards so no need to rehash but Cole, as an MC , was well within his rights to take offense as a RAPPER and challenge Dot. 7 Minute Drill was just that, a RAP battle song, no personal insults, no family name dropping. Cole just didn’t have the heart for it and bowed out when, like you said, he should have just never said a damn word if he didn’t really want war.

I really don’t think Drake had/has any reason to be mad at Cole and withdraw friendship, if they were ever truly friends to begin with. Drake’s issues with Kendrick were personal in nature while Cole/Kendrick would have been nothing more than a contest for the number 1 headband. I could see Drake, as an MC, being disappointed that Cole withdrew but Cole don’t owe Drake a damn thing when it comes to how the battle played out. It would have been corny as fukk for them to “team up” against one rapper and made both of them look weak. Cole even directly acknowledged that Drake had done a lot for him throughout his career and he appreciated it. And he did it AFTER Kendrick threw down the gauntlet and said that anyone sympathetic to Drake was an opp in his eyes.

Basically the outcome of the battle doesn’t reflect on Cole, it reflects entirely on Drake, his actions, and how he handled himself. Just like Cole has to live with how his legacy will be perceived from here on out for not battling, Drake has to live with the dame thing but with choosing to engage.

yes good take

 

[L $ C]

im rambling now but damn this shyt really fuked shyt up...it makes me sad...Cole shoulda went for it he had so much going at that point in time, stained his legacy nasty

 

[Theo Penn]

People talk about how bad the battle was for Drake, and it was.....it was AWFUL for Cole. holy chit do yall remember the momentum he had 2023 going into 24? kenny hurt him worse than drake shyt is awful

everyone lost in that battle but kendrick- Cole , rocky, ross, all took sizable Ls also

Ross and Rocky ain’t take no sizeable loss. Drake and Cole are the only sizeable losses that came from this

 

[L $ C]

Ross and Rocky ain’t take no sizeable loss. Drake and Cole are the only sizeable losses that came from this

rocky won at life so lol he can never really lose, but Drake did kill him the best lines of the battle by drake were the 8 to rocky and rocky cant drop

ross just played himself, bro all your biggest songs are cuz of drake lol stfu and go sit down

 

[WhatsGoodTy]

Probably was listening to his music and fell into a deep sleep.

 

[altruicsense]

Y'all nikkas sound like some h0es. Y'all mad cuz he wont engage with Kenny. When you aint got shyt to prove you don't need the theatrics. Whats to be gained? Respect from a bunch of no name nikkascsuch as yourselves? You nikkas are fickle ass fans. FOH

nah the point is the beef shyt is done. what's done is done. all this nikka gotta do is drop good music and the 1 minute attention span world we live in will rock with him. instead he's vanished in shame.

 

[triplehate]

I thought this thread was about were he actually was in the ville at Fayetteville State band practice. At Bordeaux shopping center doing regular shyt. But musically who knows