J.R. Smith talks MJ vs. LeBron, Steph Curry & Ben Simmons

[Truefan31]

I agree with a lot of that, but MJ was just an altogether different kind of animal.

We've never seen a dude with generational athleticism in unison with technical wizardry/IQ/Competitiveness like MJ.

He was half text book/half amazing.His execution was the most awesome/crisp shyt ever seen on a basketball court.

Plus hi mental was unbreakable.He was the ultimate killer.Drop him in any generation, I'm putting my money on him being the

best player in the game.

I know most here are too young, but I don't think they understand just how great MJ was. If you were old enough to watch it, especially the 80s, then you know why we say LeLoss isn't that close to MJ. MJ was basically the perfect basketball player. Fundamentally sound, athletically gifted, quick first step, oversized hands, and the mental obsessiveness with doing anything to win bordering on a disease.

This is the guy who averaged over 35ppg back to back while having back to back years of easily over 100 blocks, and leading the league in steals 1 of those 2 years. He's led the league in steals 3 times, while racking up 10 scoring titles. He's never scored less than 20 points in a Finals game, and never scored less than 15 points in any playoff game ever. And this was without jacking up a bunch of threes.

For all the supposed advancements with athleticism, you still don't see anyone with the strength and control in the air like MJ. The hangtime, the body control, is still unmatched over 30 years later. Hell you don't even see anyone capable of doing the legendary MJ ball fakes

 

[KOohbt]

I am a MJ stan, but let me say we have never seen Bron with a HOF coaching staff that could build a team around him to make him work on his flaws and make him play to his strength.

MJ had a HOF cast and HOF coaching staff during most of his career. That's a simple undisputable fact

But MJ dunked from half court tho..

 

[KOohbt]

I know most here are too young, but I don't think they understand just how great MJ was. If you were old enough to watch it, especially the 80s, then you know why we say LeLoss isn't that close to MJ. MJ was basically the perfect basketball player. Fundamentally sound, athletically gifted, quick first step, oversized hands, and the mental obsessiveness with doing anything to win bordering on a disease.

This is the guy who averaged over 35ppg back to back while having back to back years of easily over 100 blocks, and leading the league in steals 1 of those 2 years. He's led the league in steals 3 times, while racking up 10 scoring titles. He's never scored less than 20 points in a Finals game, and never scored less than 15 points in any playoff game ever. And this was without jacking up a bunch of threes.

For all the supposed advancements with athleticism, you still don't see anyone with the strength and control in the air like MJ. The hangtime, the body control, is still unmatched over 30 years later. Hell you don't even see anyone capable of doing the legendary MJ ball fakes

We watched. And we are watching lebron right now.

 

[Truefan31]

We watched. And we are watching lebron right now.

So am I. And he's not up there w/MJ

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

MJ was 6-0 in the finals Neva lawse

Jr know what time it is wit Steph... leave him open if you want :Skipbreh:

 

[ELESDEE616]

That Cac on Twitter already exposing Jordans weakass era




Goddamn the 90's were trash

 

[FlyRy]

JR's still salty about those sonnings Kobe gave him in the playoffs while he was on the Nuggets. :smhkobe:

The same series that Ariza got 2 huge steals to seal the games?

 

[Regular_P]

The same series that Ariza got 2 huge steals to seal the games?

The series where Kobe averaged 34/6/6? Yeah, that one.

Ariza is forever the Laker that got away.

 

[ISO]

It's weird how so many LeBron stans downplay the situations he's been in since 2010. You'd think he's played with nothing but JJ Hicksons since he left Cleveland the first time.

On top of that, we've seen him quit or sabotage his team numerous times in that same time span. First year was bumping into Spo and trying to get him fired; went ghost in those Finals.

Mysteriously had cramps and sat out the end of game one in San Antonio in 2014.

Just left the Cavs for a couple weeks and went back to Miami in 2014-15 after saying it was a process when he first went back.

Quit on Blatt in 2015-16 so the team had to fire him and install Lue. Refused to run any of Blatt's system.

This year, just stopped trying in mid-December through early February until they overhauled the roster.

I'm sure MJ wanted some upgrades or changes, but when he didn't get them, he just tried harder. LeBron has a history of shutting down when he doesn't get EXACTLY what he wants.

1. Name a star player that didn't bump heads with their coach

2. It's not "mysterious cramps", he caught cramps, the air conditioning in the arena malfunctioned that game.

3. LeBron had severe back issues in that 2014-15 year that limited his explosiveness and was feeling the effects of four straight Finals and was unhappy with management. The whole point of that break was rehabilitation for LeBron. That's when he hired Mike Mancias the guy he does all those weird balance and strength exercises with.

4. He didn't fukk with Blatt.

5. Nope, LeBron put up numbers during that stretch but the team kept on losing not because he quit on them but because they were god awful defensively as a team and needed to overhaul.

 

[ISO]

Did you not read "before getting injured."?

My bad 25ppg.

"Before the All-Star break, Jordan was only one of two players, along with Kobe Bryant, to average more than 25 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists as he led the Wizards to a 26–21 record, and the only player to average more than 25 points, 6 rebounds, and 5 assists."

2001–02 Washington Wizards season - Wikipedia

"For his last 20 games pre-injury he averaged :

27.5 PPG 6.4 RPG 5.2 APG .440 FG%

And for his last 10 games pre-injury he averaged a blistering :

29.7 PPG 6.6 RPG 6.1 APG .470 FG%"



Again, his career would've been fine if he was doing that as a 38 year old man zapped of his athleticism with a bunch of clowns on his team.

Yeah, he put up good volume scoring numbers on a 44% FG barely taking any threes before he got hurt. He could still score the ball he was 38 years old and had retired for three years.

Nobody said his career wouldn't be "fine", Jordan said his career would be different had he played under zone defense rules.

 

[Cadillac]

Did you not read "before getting injured."?

My bad 25ppg.

"Before the All-Star break, Jordan was only one of two players, along with Kobe Bryant, to average more than 25 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists as he led the Wizards to a 26–21 record, and the only player to average more than 25 points, 6 rebounds, and 5 assists."

2001–02 Washington Wizards season - Wikipedia

"For his last 20 games pre-injury he averaged :

27.5 PPG 6.4 RPG 5.2 APG .440 FG%

And for his last 10 games pre-injury he averaged a blistering :

29.7 PPG 6.6 RPG 6.1 APG .470 FG%"



Again, his career would've been fine if he was doing that as a 38 year old man zapped of his athleticism with a bunch of clowns on his team.

GOAT

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

LeBron had a hof staff around him in Miami. Riley and Spoelstra

nikka just compared Spoelstra and the GM to Phil Jackson and Tex Winters...... only on thecoli

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Phil Jackson was a cba coach then an assistant coach with 0 nba championships when he took over for the bulls. What have you seen from lebron that makes you think he would grow with a coach like that and allow him to coach him? Lebron would've got Phil fired before he even got a chance to sniff a zen book.

He looks down on coaches with 0 credentials. People act like Phil and scottie accomplished anything before mj.

But Phil wasnt a HOF coach when he first coached the bulls

This is like saying since Pop was on the verge of getting fired before his first championship..... that he is player made and not really a HOF coach either.....

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

It's weird how so many LeBron stans downplay the situations he's been in since 2010.

How many championships were Lebron led teams favored out of those 8?

 

[DIMES]

But but MJ was a unicorn that could fly