Jacksonville Jags fire head coach Doug Peterson

[David_TheMan]

Cam had DJ Moore?

for 1 year

 

[yseJ]

Baalke is trash. I like Saleh as a DC guy but if he gets hired jags finna be even more trash

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

LOL, Burrow hasn't had an OL ever since he joined the league.
He hasn't had a defense to go along with what he has brought on offense.
They have been trying to fix his OL since his rookie year and havent done it. Yet he over performs

Cam had Steve smith for one year. Shokey for one year. DJ Moore is not a superstar. He did not get McCaffery until his last year post shoulder injury in Carolina. You literally are making shyt up about his offensive weapons he actually had to try to make a point to save Lawrence and it comes off ignorant and pathetic.

Luck had the same team that was bad enough to earn them the 1 pick. Stop it.

Lawrence could do what Luck or Cam did when drafted 1, because he isn't a transformational talent, period.

I'm not sure what you're not getting about Baalke being a GM who's done virtually nothing to help his QB.

Unless you're making the claim that all these pro bowl/HOF players are frauds, and just propped up by the greatness of Peyton Manning , Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, pat mahomes, and etc.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm not sure what you're not getting about Baalke being a GM who's done virtually nothing to help his QB.

Unless you're making the claim that all these pro bowl/HOF players are frauds, and just propped up by the greatness of Peyton Manning , Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, pat mahomes, and etc.

Don't know what you aren't getting about Lawrence still being trash despite baalke being garbage as he can not and never has elevated the play of his teammates.

 

[Dzali OG]

LOL, Burrow hasn't had an OL ever since he joined the league.
He hasn't had a defense to go along with what he has brought on offense.
They have been trying to fix his OL since his rookie year and havent done it. Yet he over performs

Cam had Steve smith for one year. Shokey for one year. DJ Moore is not a superstar. He did not get McCaffery until his last year post shoulder injury in Carolina. You literally are making shyt up about his offensive weapons he actually had to try to make a point to save Lawrence and it comes off ignorant and pathetic.

Luck had the same team that was bad enough to earn them the 1 pick. Stop it.

Lawrence could do what Luck or Cam did when drafted 1, because he isn't a transformational talent, period.

Like I said earlier, that term "generational" has people in a chokehold. And gives people false expectations. All built around narratives created by the media to create hype.

It's never JUST the player. Every star QB you can name had a star WR, usually a damn good RB, a damn good TE, a OL that even if they weren't probowlers they give the qb time, and the most forgotten part is they're paired with a good to great defense.

Lawrence defense has been trash except for that hit streak 2 years ago. Not one pro bowler. They got him Christian Kirk to be his WR1 a few years ago because the wrs his 1st year were garbito. And Kirk is as average as a Sunday morning. Tried to feature him and he just doesn't have the athletic ability. Got him a small, slot WR to be his WR1.

We all saw how a qb I'll say is generational (Mahomes) was looking with no WRs or OL (though he has 2 pro bowl guards and a center) this year. He was looking mid to bad as fukk. The defense been carrying the team since Cheetah left.

Then we're not even factoring in the coaches and scheme. This maybe even a bigger piece of the puzzle.

As of now I can't even tell how good Lawrence is or isn't. There's games where he was on his ass immediately. Jags have led the league in drops every year I believe. Lawrence had won several games this year and the sorry ass defense let's a team drive for the game winner in a minute...several times!

 

[Dzali OG]

Don't know what you aren't getting about Lawrence still being trash despite baalke being garbage as he can not and never has elevated the play of his teammates.

You can only elevate so much. He elevated trash to average. Though he has Engram looking like a star.

 

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It's true that the Jags have had issues with injuries and the receivers had bad drops over the years.
Still, Trevor Lawrence hasn't done enough to lead this team to victories.

Coaches will always be the fall guys before anyone else, but I doubt some coach is going to suddenly unlock the true potential of Trevor Lawrence. He will likely always be an average QB who makes poor decisions in high leverage situations.

 

[David_TheMan]

You can only elevate so much. He elevated trash to average. Though he has Engram looking like a star

What has he elevated? You crediting him for a Engram how has that translated into wins?

I never knew that there was a dedicated contingent of Lawrence dikk riders on this forum. Lol

 

[David_TheMan]

Like I said earlier, that term "generational" has people in a chokehold. And gives people false expectations. All built around narratives created by the media to create hype.

It's never JUST the player. Every star QB you can name had a star WR, usually a damn good RB, a damn good TE, a OL that even if they weren't probowlers they give the qb time, and the most forgotten part is they're paired with a good to great defense.

Lawrence defense has been trash except for that hit streak 2 years ago. Not one pro bowler. They got him Christian Kirk to be his WR1 a few years ago because the wrs his 1st year were garbito. And Kirk is as average as a Sunday morning. Tried to feature him and he just doesn't have the athletic ability. Got him a small, slot WR to be his WR1.

We all saw how a qb I'll say is generational (Mahomes) was looking with no WRs or OL (though he has 2 pro bowl guards and a center) this year. He was looking mid to bad as fukk. The defense been carrying the team since Cheetah left.

Then we're not even factoring in the coaches and scheme. This maybe even a bigger piece of the puzzle.

As of now I can't even tell how good Lawrence is or isn't. There's games where he was on his ass immediately. Jags have led the league in drops every year I believe. Lawrence had won several games this year and the sorry ass defense let's a team drive for the game winner in a minute...several times!

That was the expectations for him and he failed to meet expectations.

Lawrence is no different than Gardner minshew.

Mahomes with no elite WRs won a super bowl.
Vick in Atlanta with not elite WRs got to the playoffs and won a game in lambeau.
Cam with no elite WRs got to the super bowl. Burrow with no line got to the super bowl. There are many examples of great QBs elevating their team without weapons, Lamar Jackson being the biggest example recently.

We can tell right now Lawrence is not an elite NFL QB. Period. He is a journeyman level QB and that is okay he can have a long career as a journeyman or backup. He isn't the first and won't be the last.

 

[Dzali OG]

What has he elevated? You crediting him for a Engram how has that translated into wins?

I never knew that there was a dedicated contingent of Lawrence dikk riders on this forum. Lol

Which is the point. With Engram putting up pro bowl numbers...they haven't won shyt. Because it's a team sport. Gotta have a run game, defense or something.

Not even on his sack like that, though he's my QB, I'm just calling it fair.

 

[David_TheMan]

Which is the point. With Engram putting up pro bowl numbers...they haven't won shyt. Because it's a team sport. Gotta have a run game, defense or something.

Not even on his sack like that, though he's my QB, I'm just calling it fair.

Stat padding isn't elevating your team. You understand that right?

Lawrence hasn't elevated his team. He hasn't made a offense more dangerous he hasn't done anything different than Gardner minshew or Carson went. He is inferior to cooper rusb.

You are glazing this bust and you should be embarrassed

 

[Dzali OG]

That was the expectations for him and he failed to meet expectations.

Lawrence is no different than Gardner minshew.

Mahomes with no elite WRs won a super bowl.
Vick in Atlanta with not elite WRs got to the playoffs and won a game in lambeau.
Cam with no elite WRs got to the super bowl. Burrow with no line got to the super bowl. There are many examples of great QBs elevating their team without weapons, Lamar Jackson being the biggest example recently.

We can tell right now Lawrence is not an elite NFL QB. Period. He is a journeyman level QB and that is okay he can have a long career as a journeyman or backup. He isn't the first and won't be the last.

The Jags are my team, I watched both QBs, Minshew IS NOT Lawrence. Nowhere near the arm talent or ability to see the field.

Chiefs defense won that super bowl and has been carrying them. Vick, maybe he can be called generational due to his running ability which was new at that time. Cam had always had a probowl WR but most importantly a TE. And they had good defense.

Burroughs I'm willing to say he is elite...even though he has two GREAT WRs and his defense isn't last in sacks.

All this crying on this site about Lamar needing help for years??!! And like Vick he was doing it a unconventional way by being a fast running QB. And the Racens are renown for GREAT defense. And he always has a good TE even if he don't have a WR

With all this said...im not saying Lawrence is great, we just can't tell yet. Too much inconsistency around him, though I'm leading toward him not being great.

 

[Dzali OG]

Stat padding isn't elevating your team. You understand that right?

Lawrence hasn't elevated his team. He hasn't made a offense more dangerous he hasn't done anything different than Gardner minshew or Carson went. He is inferior to cooper rusb.

You are glazing this bust and you should be embarrassed

We have seen him elevate his team, perhaps the greatest comeback in playoff history.

Game winning drives can appear to be stat padding when your defense gives up a last minute score to lose the game. After he's driven them for the go ahead score. We lost 3-5 games like that this year. I think it was 10 one score games.

 

[David_TheMan]

The Jags are my team, I watched both QBs, Minshew IS NOT Lawrence. Nowhere near the arm talent or ability to see the field.

Chiefs defense won that super bowl and has been carrying them. Vick, maybe he can be called generational due to his running ability which was new at that time. Cam had always had a probowl WR but most importantly a TE. And they had good defense.

Burroughs I'm willing to say he is elite...even though he has two GREAT WRs and his defense isn't last in sacks.

All this crying on this site about Lamar needing help for years??!! And like Vick he was doing it a unconventional way by being a fast running QB. And the Racens are renown for GREAT defense. And he always has a good TE even if he don't have a WR

With all this said...im not saying Lawrence is great, we just can't tell yet. Too much inconsistency around him, though I'm leading toward him not being great.

Lol they are the same in effect. Similar completion percentage, similar tds and ints, similar w and losses.

Chiefs didn't win super bowl in a stop they won it on mahomes leading them down the field and scoring. That isn't to say the defense didn't elevate to great from sybpar before when they were more offense focused but the reality is Mahomes elevated the plays of the subpar WRs they had to win titles after tyrek left. He got scantling paid somewhere else and produced on the field

Same for Lamar and the others I have posted. Lawrence isn't in that group. You compare CJ Shroud to Lawrence and you can see the difference in a excellent QB that can elevate and one that is just another guy. Same with Jayden Daniels

No cam did not always have a pro bowl wr. You are lying now. Cam got to the super bowl with a cast of leftovers and Olsen. A tight end isn't a wr.

Lamar has done more with less. Why cry about him when if Lawrence was what you say he is he would be having the same success as Lamar with his lack of tools. Your crying about Lamar is literally an indictment on what Lawrence isn't, which is a generational excellent talent.

Lawrence has 4 years in the NFL. We know what he is nothing is changing now. He is what he is and that is a mediocre NFL QB

 

[David_TheMan]

We have seen him elevate his team, perhaps the greatest comeback in playoff history.

Game winning drives can appear to be stat padding when your defense gives up a last minute score to lose the game. After he's driven them for the go ahead score. We lost 3-5 games like that this year. I think it was 10 one score games.

Lol in 4 years he has 1 playoff win and 1 playoff loss.

If you want to hang your head on that one win 3 3 seasons ago do so, but the reality is that's pretty sad when you have to hang on to an anomaly that was years ago and ignore 3 seasons of consistent mediocrity