Jade Cargill Officially Signs With The E

[dh86]

That Charlotte segment exposed Strongface a lot and she hasn't really recovered

She's also become a representative of the flaws of the upcoming generation where you have all these average to bad wrestlers who can't cut promos or think on their toes

Levesque thinks it’s 1985 rarely having champs wrestle on tv so Tiffany suffering from that and lost popularity from the starts and stops. She needs to be on the road and develop a character just like Jade does, only Tiffany has had fine matches with vets and hasn’t had the gaffes Jade has had

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Levesque thinks it’s 1985 rarely having champs wrestle on tv so Tiffany suffering from that and lost popularity from the starts and stops. She needs to be on the road and develop a character just like Jade does, only Tiffany has had fine matches with vets and hasn’t had the gaffes Jade has had

I don't know about that, Tiff has had some terrible botches lately, I ain't making that up either.

 

[dh86]

Ricky Strokes going through a humiliation ritual right now

Is he still in the stage he fell through

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

People forget Wrestling is a community endeavor.

You're judged by who you can put over.

People LIKE a muh'fukka a bunch, but, when they can't do a good program, it shows that they ain't a star.

The WWE has had Tiffany go over veterans like Nia and had her pin Charlotte Flair at WrestleMania.

What exactly do they have to show for it? I legit think Charlotte told them to put Tiffany over because the backlash was getting to her.

Nia Jax (4x), Bayley, Charlotte Falir, Trish, Jade...can you put Tiffany in the middle of the ring for 5 minutes to entertain a crowd? No. Maybe she sells some t-shirts and the WWE keeps a blonde white woman at the top.

Nah I’m not rocking with this.

Tiffany had all the momentum in the world. It’s not her fault she won the title and wwe had nothing else for her.

And she can gain that momentum back. Lol

I don’t understand the you’re judged by who you can put over.

That’s something you say about the Beckys and charlottes of the world.

Tiffany and Jade are on the same level where they should be getting put over not Tiffany got put over by vets in a span of six months so now it’s her time to do so. Lol

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

Put it this way

If you told me in the first five years of Cody Rhodes career he would be where he’s at now I’d report you and ask the mods to keep you permanently banned.

 

[Easy-E]

Olympic wrestlers have the upper hand in being good in the ring and panning out but there’s always examples of Gabe Stevenson. But nah we are really downplaying how hard it is and long it takes to develop a star.

Brock Lesnar the only dude I watched growing up be pushed to the moon, main event wrestlemania his first time on the card and nobody question it and he fit right in. Brock fukking Lesnar bro.

I tried using Logan and angle as examples because it’s not the norm. For every success there’s like 100,000 failures of wrestlers we don’t think about anymore.

And nah Jade should be cut some slack. She does need the reps. If you compare house shows now to 20 years ago the ratio of house shows is damn near tilted to one side.

It’s like we forgot how things used to be. Dudes were either on the indies for years before getting to the big promotions or they went to the big promotion systems.

Dudes would be in OVW for 2 to 3 years. Be a no name or lower card jobber on the main roster for a year or two. Get pushed in the mid card for at least a year and then MAYBE move up the ranks.

Now all of that is erased and fans expectations are ridiculously stupid.

Dudes will watch trick Williams on nxt for three years and swear he should be world champion material on the main roster and then be shocked when wrestlers of his elk don’t shine the brightest as soon as they get to the big time.

It’s like, duh, no named guy with less than five years of experience wrestling other wrestlers of no named valued of 4 years experience flounders on the main roster with the big names. No shyt.


Wrestling fans need to put their unrealistic expectations to the side. Look at this as a job…. Why you think jobs always asking for 8+ years or 10+ years on the resume when it comes to $100,000?

The person with 3 years experience ain’t really that good and wet behind the ears

People wanted to be supportive of Jade and a lot of people wanted to shyt on AEW. And also, WWE (rightfully) hyped her to the heavens.

Only CM Punk had a more hype arrival than Jade (modern times).

But, I was saying the same thing about Trick (he didn't even do the indies & started in 2021) & Jade.

Yes, personality and "aura" are a big deal and can carry you where wrestling as well as Dean Malenko won't.

I think Jade's a special case because it seems so easy to make her the first US Women's Champion and just let her squash everyone.

Women's wrestling, specifically, hasn't seen someone like Jade tower over the other women and look more cut since Chyna.

It just seems like a layup.

Nah I’m not rocking with this.

Tiffany had all the momentum in the world. It’s not her fault she won the title and wwe had nothing else for her.

And she can gain that momentum back. Lol

I don’t understand the you’re judged by who you can put over.

That’s something you say about the Beckys and charlottes of the world.

Tiffany and Jade are on the same level where they should be getting put over not Tiffany got put over by vets in a span of six months so now it’s her time to do so. Lol

Ya'll have to stop defending the wrestlers as people.

I don't know these people, fam. And I'm not a mark. This is a big fukking work.

All my critiques are directed at Laveck for putting her somewhere she wasn't ready for.

I've been watching Tiffany Stratton since she came back from titty surgery. Go check the No Mercy thread where she main evented with Becky, I thought she should've gone over.

She is a good talent, but, they shot her to the moon when she's had as many matches as Jade Cargill AND Trick--All 3 didn't start wrestling on TV til last 2021.

• NXT Women's Champ (2023),
• Program with Becky Lynch (Late 2023)
• Drafted to Smackdown (Feb 2024)
• Elimination Chamber (Mar 2024) months within her main roster call up
• Miss Money in The Bank (July 2024)
• Women's Champion (2025)

If they give you all that (all within one year of being called up) you damn well better be putting people over.

YOU'RE THE CHAMPION. That's is the Brock Lesnar treatment.

• March 2002 (debut)
• Ran through every mid carder
• King of the Ring (June 2002)
• Fought Hogan
• Pinned The Rock at 25 to become the youngest WWE Champion (Aug 2002)

There's "Tiffy is trash," then there's "She's not good enough to basically have the women's division on a weak show running around her."

Nia (yes, Nia) would be a better champion giving babyfaces something to chase. And that's simply off character work.

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

People wanted to be supportive of Jade and a lot of people wanted to shyt on AEW. And also, WWE (rightfully) hyped her to the heavens.

Only CM Punk had a more hype arrival than Jade (modern times).

But, I was saying the same thing about Trick (he didn't even do the indies & started in 2021) & Jade.

Yes, personality and "aura" are a big deal and can carry you where wrestling as well as Dean Malenko won't.

I think Jade's a special case because it seems so easy to make her the first US Women's Champion and just let her squash everyone.

Women's wrestling, specifically, hasn't seen someone like Jade tower over the other women and look more cut since Chyna.

It just seems like a layup.


Ya'll have to stop defending the wrestlers as people.

I don't know these people, fam. And I'm not a mark. This is a big fukking work.

All my critiques are directed at Laveck for putting her somewhere she wasn't ready for.

I've been watching Tiffany Stratton since she came back from titty surgery. Go check the No Mercy thread where she main evented with Becky, I thought she should've gone over.

She is a good talent, but, they shot her to the moon when she's had as many matches as Jade Cargill AND Trick--All 3 didn't start wrestling on TV til last 2021.

• NXT Women's Champ (2023),
• Program with Becky Lynch (Late 2023)
• Drafted to Smackdown (Feb 2024)
• Elimination Chamber (Mar 2024) months within her main roster call up
• Miss Money in The Bank (July 2024)
• Women's Champion (2025)

If they give you all that (all within one year of being called up) you damn well better be putting people over.

YOU'RE THE CHAMPION. That's is the Brock Lesnar treatment.

• March 2002 (debut)
• Ran through every mid carder
• King of the Ring (June 2002)
• Fought Hogan
• Pinned The Rock at 25 to become the youngest WWE Champion (Aug 2002)

There's "Tiffy is trash," then there's "She's not good enough to basically have the women's division on a weak show running around her."

Nia (yes, Nia) would be a better champion giving babyfaces something to chase. And that's simply off character work.

What do you mean it’s all a work? I don’t get your point on defending the human and not the wrestler. I am defending the wrestler lol. Most wrestlers suck with 5 years of experience. They derserve the slack.


And hhh put her in a position she wasn’t ready for to what exactly? She won the title and hhh either stretched out her feud with Nia or did absolutely nothing with her. How is that her fault?

Was Iyo not ready to be champion or was it HHH fault for putting the title on her and making her an after thought ?

I’ve been consistently saying on this site that hhh puts titles on people and then nothing happens.

Jade could have won the title and two months from now this thread would have been complaints of why nothing significant has happened instead of she should have wrestled more than 7 mins!

 

[Organic Trees]

Bro wrote a big ass paragraph about wrestling

 

[VegetasHairline]

Bro wrote a big ass paragraph about wrestling

About Tiffany Stratton of all people.

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

Bro wrote a big ass paragraph about wrestling

I like to have in-depth discussions

 

[Easy-E]

What do you mean it’s all a work? I don’t get your point on defending the human and not the wrestler. I am defending the wrestler lol. Most wrestlers suck with 5 years of experience. They derserve the slack.

99% of wrestlers have zero power in how they portrayed on television. Some are pushed too soon, some don't get enough chances.

The wrestling industry is not built on merit.

That's what I mean.

I get on Rhea--I know it's not her fault. I get on Judgement Day. I know it's prolly some 50 year old that thinks a motorcycle, demon gang playing video games in a clubhouse, is cool. I know it's prolly not their fault.

And hhh put her in a position she wasn’t ready for to what exactly? She won the title and hhh either stretched out her feud with Nia or did absolutely nothing with her. How is that her fault?

Was Iyo not ready to be champion or was it HHH fault for putting the title on her and making her an after thought ?

Bolded explained above. Check my whiny posts and I'm generally shytting on "Laveck."

This roster (RAW & Smackdown) is awesome.

The booking is horrible.

I’ve been consistently saying on this site that hhh puts titles on people and then nothing happens.

Jade could have won the title and two months from now this thread would have been complaints of why nothing significant has happened instead of she should have wrestled more than 7 mins!

The solution isn't to not put a title on good characters.

But to take this thread BACK to Jade Cargill, specifically.

9/10, booking a match like that shows you don't have confidence.

I'll "let it play out" ( I don't even watch anymore--just clips and reviews from YouTubers), but, that looked bad for Jade.

The match was actually decent. The finish was horrible.

 

[Love Sosa]

Jade is getting better and better in my book. I was nervous about the Summerslam match due to the lack of experience from both but they did great. Yall want her first title win to be a match with little build or story? Against another babyface? Makes no sense. Too soon and the people would’ve turned on her. She’s not buried, she looked Rhea megastar level at the elimination chamber return, and has been consistent since then. This shyt don’t happen overnight. When she gets the big one I can see it being from Bianca or Naomi where there’s story there.

 

[Killer Instinct]

I think I have to pushback on people saying Tiffany is a "star" as well. It's not just how weak she's been on the main roster in terms of mic skills or matches, I don't really see her garnering much reaction anymore either. There was a time when people chanted "Tiffy time!" but I haven't seen a lot of that recently.

She wasn't ready and theres no substance to her character. Jax was just a great, old school, unlikeable heel that fans wanted to see beaten. When a great heel does their job, unless the other guy or girl is a disaster, they're going to get cheered because that heel is doing their job.

"Tiffy Time" is the new "Yeet," except fans at least have fun with the latter. Reality is Stratton is a lot closer to Jade when it comes to ability than she is to Bianca, Iyo, Asuka, or Charlotte -- who should have went over Tiffany, though it was a blessing in disguise and they've done a great job rehabing her inage with the Alexa tag team. Charlotte woukd have been a much better match for Jade and as the veteran, could have called it and carried it like the top champion is expected to when working with someone less experienced. "That bytch & Queen of The Ring" vs, "The Queen," would have had much more heat.

And for the record, I wouldn't have even put Jade over in that scenario, but she certainly wouldn't have lost in a 7 minute glorified television match and it definitely wouldn't have been clean.

 

[O.Red]

Olympic wrestlers have the upper hand in being good in the ring and panning out but there’s always examples of Gabe Stevenson. But nah we are really downplaying how hard it is and long it takes to develop a star.

Brock Lesnar the only dude I watched growing up be pushed to the moon, main event wrestlemania his first time on the card and nobody question it and he fit right in. Brock fukking Lesnar bro.

I tried using Logan and angle as examples because it’s not the norm. For every success there’s like 100,000 failures of wrestlers we don’t think about anymore.

And nah Jade should be cut some slack. She does need the reps. If you compare house shows now to 20 years ago the ratio of house shows is damn near tilted to one side.

It’s like we forgot how things used to be. Dudes were either on the indies for years before getting to the big promotions or they went to the big promotion systems.

Dudes would be in OVW for 2 to 3 years. Be a no name or lower card jobber on the main roster for a year or two. Get pushed in the mid card for at least a year and then MAYBE move up the ranks.

Now all of that is erased and fans expectations are ridiculously stupid.

Dudes will watch trick Williams on nxt for three years and swear he should be world champion material on the main roster and then be shocked when wrestlers of his elk don’t shine the brightest as soon as they get to the big time.

It’s like, duh, no named guy with less than five years of experience wrestling other wrestlers of no named valued of 4 years experience flounders on the main roster with the big names. No shyt.


Wrestling fans need to put their unrealistic expectations to the side. Look at this as a job…. Why you think jobs always asking for 8+ years or 10+ years on the resume when it comes to $100,000?

The person with 3 years experience ain’t really that good and wet behind the ears

You can't have it both ways breh. Jade has been cut plenty of slack. A year ago nikkas was getting called c00ns for even having a sliver of criticism about her More people are less afraid to point out the cracks now because shyt is getting apparent

"Unrealistic expectations" is unfair because it's leaving a ton of context out. Again nikkas ain't having these discussions about Chelsea Green. These same topics keep being discussed about Jade because Jade was put out there as the next big thing. I can acknowledge that this is a failure on WWEs end but nikkas also gotta acknowledge that it's also Jade showing that she ain't got it like that

When people talk the "Nikkas being too hard on Jade" shyt it's like they wanna ignore the "She got next" horse she rode in on. Mind you nikkas don't even acknowledge her AEW years So how much longer is she supposed to be "green"? What are nikkas gonna say when we're having this exact same discussion next year?

Jade's visual charisma is a gift and a curse. You look at her and think all of the best things but it ain't been happening

It's actually funny that you brought up Brock because yea he got pushed to the moon but it's because he showed and proved. Jade came in with the Brock push and didn't deliver That's why the "Jade" topic keeps coming up

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Serious question

No shade, no shots, no agenda

Just genuinely curious

Who do yall think is a better wrestler?

Jade or That Nikkita Lyons chick?