Jamaica's Broadcasting Commission BANS songs promoting illegal activity 10/11/22

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It's definitely a step in the right direction. the content that's being censored is a net negative.

Yeah, I think dudes are throwing everything but the kitchen sink out there to deflect from that.
There is still a digital divide here in America. I imagine that it is more pronounced in developing countries.

We're all aware of that, so when dudes bring up poverty and deprivation AND in the next breath talking about "they will just stream it or use VPNs, if govt takes it further", I see that they are being disingenuous.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Collective will is also materialized by rules. The same way an individual force himself to do or not do something, at the collective level, rules are made to change the trajectory of a group. That's why human groups created rules which authorized or not certain behaviors.

Culture is also those things. A culture also change in the things it does not allow.

Miss me fam. You bodied your own points already. "A culture changes in things it doesn't allow" yes my fukking point. We haven't reached that consensus as people. Force isn't it. As long as people are being entertained by that content it will be in demand. Someone used a drug addict analogy but failed to realize that what they were describing is the failed war on drugs. Censorship DOESN'T work.

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

A community can be fukked up? Yes. The same parents can be fukked up. Those are hypothesis. But the reality remains the same: parents don't raise their kids alone; they raise them along with the community. You can be against it, but it's not realistic, unless you live on an island.

At the bolded part - That's usually the cause of many serious crimes in the first place. Banning media that promotes violence and crime will have extremely little effect on crime.

Banning things in itself does not change the nature of government. Because the governement already bans things. Of course, banning certain things will change the nature of the gov. But the act of banning per se does not.

The point is that what a government bans matters the most.

I don't think anyone is advocating for a gov. with full power. And banning the promotion of illegal activities does not make the gov. a tyran. This is nothing but control of the media space. It already exist for many topics in many liberal democracies, especially in western Europe. You can 't say anything on the air.

Rather than controlling media space (of course, certain things within media have to be outlawed like direct calls to violence, etc) to try and stop a crime, it would be a lot better to enforce the established laws against the illegal activity with better policing. Plus, address certain issues with a community that has a high serious crime rate.

Crime is not only a matter of applying criminal law. It's also a matter of cultural environment and social impulse. A society who tolerates public and blatant promotion of criminal activities is setting itself of fire.

Having limits is necessary for any society that want to run correctly.

I've never said otherwise. I'll say it again, better to enforce the established laws against illegal activities with better policing than ban any medium that promotes illegal activities. Plus, address certain issues with a community that has a high serious crime rate.

 

[get these nets]

Nobody said it's no big deal. I said the audience they are trying to protect is not tuned in there. I said the music as it is barely plays there. That's why it's posturing. You targeting mediums used by middle age plus people mostly. Are they the impressionable ones?

How many old heads in here even know that a lot of music breaks on tik tok now. Mufhukaz talking about radio censorship in 2022

Someone from and in Jamaica please chime in. What's playing on the radio today?

The digital divide is a term that resurfaced during the pandemic, when the lack of internet access had an effect on poorer children being able to access the distance learning modes of education. Happened in America.

In developing countries, I imagine that ready access to the internet for children in poorer areas is equally or more limited.

"Will just stream it, watch on tiktok or use VPN"?

 

[bnew]

Elder told not one lie

Music is very powerful in Black cultures.
So to limit/ban negative content leading the youth astray into crime by promoting criminal behavior in it is a good decision to protect their people.

Freedom of artistic expression doesn’t mean freedom of consequence of the effect on the impressionable minds of the youth

Colonialism by the British, pick up a book.

Let’s not act dense and dishonest.
Most of their Reggae artists signed the Compassion Act

Article: How Britain's colonial legacy still affects LGBT politics around the world

From 1860 onwards, the empire spread a specific set of legal codes and common law throughout its colonies, among them laws proscribing male-to-male sexual relations. The British Empire drafted these penal codes with a moral, religious mission in mind. The intention was to protect local Christians from “corruption” and correct and Christianise “native” custom. Two particularly prominent examples are the colonial criminal codes of India and Queensland, both of which specifically criminalised male-to-male sexual relations – though they both set a penalty of long-term imprisonment rather than death.

In contrast with the British experience, the other major colonial powers did not leave such an institutional legacy on criminalisation of homosexual conduct. This is why former British colonies are far more likely to still have these laws in place than the former colonies of other European states or other states in general. Of the 72 countries with such a law still on the books in 2018, at least 38 of them were once subject to some sort of British colonial rule.

a lot of people gloss over the fact that the "traditions" or "customs" they practice were imposed on their countries because of christian dominionism during colonial rule.

the lawyers and judges in some of the former colonies are still wearing those ridiculous white wigs the colonialists wore.

 

[African Peasant]

Miss me fam. You bodied your own points already. "A culture changes in things it doesn't allow" yes my fukking point. We haven't reached that consensus as people. Force isn't it. As long as people are being entertained by that content it will be in demand. Someone used a drug addict analogy but failed to realize that what they were describing is the failed war on drugs. Censorship DOESN'T work.

Who told you a culture only change by consensus? Who told you history only moves by consensus? If a consensus was the only way, rules and sanctions would not exist. Force is also a motor of history. A lot of things have been made by force, for the better or the worse.

This is a very "free market" view of history. It's wrong tho. History is filled with cultural changes pushed by a social/political/Military force.

 

[African Peasant]

At the bolded part - That's usually the cause of many serious crimes in the first place. Banning media that promotes violence and crime will have extremely little effect on crime.


The point is that what a government bans matters the most.


Rather than controlling media space (of course, certain things within media have to be outlawed like direct calls to violence, etc) to try and stop a crime, it would be a lot better to enforce the established laws against the illegal activity with better policing. Plus, address certain issues with a community that has a high serious crime rate.


I've never said otherwise. I'll say it again, better to enforce the established laws against illegal activities with better policing than ban any medium that promotes illegal activities. Plus, address certain issues with a community that has a high serious crime rate.

There is no government that does not ban things. It does not exist. So that's not a reason to exclude a ban on the promotion of illegal activities. It's already in the realm of what any gov. does.

Enforcing crimes goes hand in hand with fighting the culture of crimes. You don't stay in a repressive space. You go against every FACTORS creating a crime friendly environment. It's incoherent to fight crime and let crime being promoted at the same time. If you do that, you send the wrong signal to society and individuals. You create ambiguity and undermine what you're doing. The same way you don't fight racism while letting people pushing racists ideas and stereotypes.

You can't change a society without changing the narrative being pushed in that society. Crime is not an exception.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

a lot of people gloss over the fact that the "traditions" or "customs" they practice were imposed on their countries because of christian dominionism during colonial rule.

the lawyers and judges in some of the former colonies are still wearing those ridiculous white wigs the colonialists wore.

That’s a FACT fam.

Literally yesterday in another thread people were fearmongering ATRs to praise Christianity. Shyt was disgusting.

Imagine caping for the religion that was the driving force behind the enslavement of your ancestors and the current oppressive system you’re under, to bash the ATR the ancestors went through great lengths to save by creating the Diasporic ATRs

Could NEVER be me.

The cognitive dissonance was through the roof.

Christianity has brought so many toxic customs and views to their colonies that still have to be unlearned smh.

It comes with built in anti-Blackness
Demonizing ATRs is simply a manifestation of that.

Meanwhile the ATRs are one of the most important things to look at, because it shows the ancestors all over the Diaspora went through great lengths to preserve the ATRs under the slavery and show so many similarities with eachother despite being removed from eachother in different geographical locations

You’re welcome.

Most of our ancestors practiced ATRs like Vodun, Yoruba and Abosom etc before enslavement.

A segment were Muslim, because by then Islam was already imposed on them in Africa during the Arab slavetrade. This went by way of economic blackmail since Muslims wouldn’t do business with non-Muslims and war. Islam was never accepted peacefully, it was the driving force behind the Arab slavetrade. So that segment that were Muslim were so because of those reasons.

Christianity was imposed on our ancestors during the Trans-Atlantic slavetrade as a tool to keep them obedient and mentally enslaved, because ATRs were keeping the enslaved rebellious and was therefor forbidden and heavily punished to eradicate them.

It’s a hard truth for some, but it’s a needed truth to know and acknowledge to move forward as a people.

Most of our ancestors practices ATRs.
It’s one of if not THEE most important things we can look at that shows no matter where our ancestors were, the African Spiritual systems is what we all had in common.

This is why when you look at the Black Diaspora in the Americas, you will find leftovers from those ATRs that were originally practiced all over West-Africa still bein compatible with the ones in the Americas
(Santeria, Cuba vs Yoruba, Nigeria comparison using ATRs)


The red thread in the Black Diaspora are the African spiritual systems.
African-American, Afro-Caribbean and Afro-Latino people all created their own versions of African Spiritual Systems.

Hoodoo in America, Vodou in Haiti, Winti in Suriname, Candomble in Brazil, Santeria in Cuba, Obeah in Jamaica etc are all manifestations of those ATRs that the ancestors tried to save under slavery.

These Diasporic ATRs all (except one) went through syncretism to survive, because Christianity was the driving force behind the enslavers during the trans-Atlantic slave.

That one ATR exception in the Diaspora that never syncretized with Christianity during slavery is Winti in Suriname.

It’s interesting because this whole controversy with the Little Mermaid bein Black is silly when Mermaids have been all over the Diaspora in the ATRs.

Again, just look at the African Spiritual Systems in the Diaspora and they all have names for it.

In Mainland Africa she’s called Yemoja and Mami Wata
(Ghana, Nigeria, Angola, Ivory Coast, Togo, Benin Etc)
18:15 - 19:30 (Timestamped)


In the Americas she’s called.
Yemanja in Brazil
La Sirène in Haiti
Watra Mama in Suriname
River Mumma in Jamaica
Mama D’Leau in Trinidad


The Trans-Atlantic slave trade and Arab slave trade were so destructive and effective, because they forced those enslaved to get rid of whole spiritual systems with cosmologies, concepts and nature-based lifestyles attached to them for their own Abrahamic faith.

That’s why the marketing about ATRs in the Black Diaspora have always been so heavy on the anti-Blackness calling it demonic and devilish. This is all on purpose to keep our people spiritually under their systems control, as far as possible from our ancestors own African Spiritual systems.

Why when you look at the ATRs in the Black Diaspora is it that they wanted to eradicate those systems under slavery specifically, but were so adamant about converting our ancestors to Christianity and Islam?

Why did the Ancestors go through such lengths to save the ATRs and create the Diasporic ATRs to save what they had, under such severe attempts of the enslavers to eradicate them? Those are the deeper questions.

I didn’t wanna derail the thread, but since you asked me to expound

Ofcourse, no worries.
Knowing history provides an opportunity to rethink and break mental slavery.

I do observe some fearmongering which is internalized anti-Blackness in your post.

The Catholic Church in the US alone has paid about 3-4 Billion dollars in settlements of sexual abuse. That’s excluding the spiritual abuse that came with it, yet when it comes to ATRs it’s always some individual experiences being used to throw dirt on it when people talk about it. Sad.

How often do people say:
“I’m a Christian, but I know someone that was abused. So I feel conflicted/reluctant to mess with it”
when people bring up about Christianity

Compared to:
“I heard such-and-such, said that such-and-such..
so I don’t fukk with it”.
As an excuse to be negative about ATRs.

The deeper questions are:
Why is the DESIRE to point to the negative individual experiences when people talk about ATRs which our ancestors created themselves so strong?
Why is the DESIRE to point to structural negative experiences when people talk about Christianity which was imposed through slavery so weak?

Internalized anti-Blackness by way of Abrahamic faith is a monster with many layers.

Bias and unequal condemnation are manifestations of it.
(Cognitive dissonance)

It was the Vodou, an ATR that was the driving force behind the liberation of Haiti.

Cècile Fatiman and Dutty Boukman performed a ceremony August 14th, 1791 that sparked the Haitian Revolution. Salute to those Haitians that freed themselves with their ATR, Vodou.

The Haitian Revolution was legendary and should be taught to every Black person imo.

Similarly it was Winti, an ATR that was the driving force behind the liberation of the Maroons in Suriname

Similarly it was Obeah, an ATR that was the driving force behind the liberation of the Maroons in Jamaica

The ATRs that the enslavers tried to eradicate and stigmatize is the driving force behind those Maroon communities successfully taking their freedom.

But it is the ATRs that get all the stigmas opposed to Christianity that was imposed during slavery.

The deeper question is.
WHY. IS. THAT?

Again, Christianity comes with internalized anti-Blackness that fuels cognitive dissonance. .

Fearmongering ATRs to praise and uplift Christianity.

Whew, could never be me.

Fear and hostility towards ATRs is anti-Blackness.

I can only advise people to do more research about history, which I believe you will. Good luck on that journey.

You’ll learn to look deeper to be able to recognize, confront and get rid of taught internalized anti-Blackness and cognitive dissonance when it comes to Abrahamic faiths.

It’s one part of a multi-layered wound to thoroughly heal and move forward as a people imo

 

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*News segment about local reaction​

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*Article about reaction of diasporans in radio ​

Jamaican radio jocks in the diaspora support BCJ ban​

Monday | October 17, 2022

Kirk ‘Captain Kirk’ Nelson, of 107.9 FM in South Florida is in favour of the recent ban by the Broadcasting Commission of Jamaica.




Award-winning broadcaster, Kirk ‘Captain Kirk’ Nelson, of 107.9 FM in South Florida is among a growing list of Jamaican media practitioners in the diaspora who have voiced strong support for the recent ban by the Broadcasting Commission of Jamaica (BCJ) of songs that glorify lottery scamming, illicit drugs and guns.
“I support the ban 100 per cent,” Captain Kirk told The Gleaner.
“Why is there even a discussion? Not sure why it took so long for them to have pulled the plug!” the self-proclaimed Bad Boy of Radio said.
“While we can monitor what our kids see and hear on social media at home, we have no control over what is played on the radio. This is why it is important for the Broadcasting Commission to police the airwaves and rid it of defamatory songs,” the Mandeville-born disc jock explained.

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“Young artistes, songwriters and producers, you all need to go back to the drawing board and create better music. You all complain about the Grammy album selection, you complain about the lack of opportunities for Jamaican music, but look at the end results. Who is benefiting most from reggae/dancehall music today? Surely not us,” he argued.
Earlier this year, director of public prosecutions, Paula Llewellyn, while delivering the keynote address at the Jamaica Bankers Association and the Jamaica Institute of Financial Service anti-fraud seminar in Kingston, voiced concern that the glorification of ‘chopping’ in popular dancehall songs was a factor fuelling the rise in lottery scamming in western Jamaica.
Jamaican broadcaster Jerome Rhodd, aka Dr J from WVKR, 91.3 FM in Poughkeepsie, NY, followed up on this line of argument.
“Our country has been plagued with crime and violence for far too long,” a concerned Dr J said, “The government has to get the youths working so they can help to build the economy because a country that does not provide resources for its young generation will fade away.”
Captain Kirk placed much of the blame for the degradation of music on local radio stations which he said has reneged on its responsibility to listeners.
“Jamaica used to be the headquarters for reggae music. We could count on stations to play good music on the airwaves. We now have what, about 39 radio stations in Jamaica, yet listeners can’t lock into one station without flipping back and forth to find good music,” he shared.
Danae Peart, the CEO of Peart Media and Business Consulting supports the commission’s ban, but feels that it may be viewed as censorship.
“Personally I am OK with it (the ban), because it’s been more than a decade now where artistes do not care to make music for airplay nor exhibit a lot of accountability for impressionable audience members. Now, from a creative lens it appears to be an over-reach bordering on censorship, which is not necessarily an effective step,” she opined.
She reasoned that the back story for the decision by the Broadcasting Commission to “institute a ban on certain music has been a consistent outcry from politicians and influential citizens regarding the content of music and whether it is more directly related to society’s ills than we have been acknowledging”.
“There is no way to prove a direct correlation between music and crime or moral decay. I, however, understand the pressure to do something about what feels like a preponderance of it. If we view dancehall as an export product of Jamaica then it adds another layer of concern about what these art forms say about Jamaica and Jamaicans to the world,” Peart added, noting that she was not convinced that the ban will bring about any meaningful change.
“I strongly doubt this will influence dancehall artistes to ‘clean up their act’. We have to remember that the genre is by nature rebellious and edgy and definitely unconcerned with pleasing traditional audiences. In fact, some of the most popular tracks right now being featured on global stages contain the same lyrics this ban addresses,” she noted

 

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"music that promotes or glorifies lottery scamming"?

Song of last year imo

'cashapp dat a instant wiring'



Most Jamaicans are actually banned from Western Union and Cashapp now
I was there like welcome to Nigeria family we av missed you

Prevalence of some illegal activities hampering online transactions, says Morgan
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KINGSTON, Jamaica— Information Minister, Robert Nesta Morgan, says that due to the prevalence of certain criminal activities in Jamaica, some people have been experiencing difficulties when trying to conduct business online.

The minister was speaking at a post-cabinet press briefing on Wednesday, when he said these criminal activities have resulted in Jamaica being grey-listed in some jurisdictions, which hampers international transactions.
“A lot this has to do with current practices that have evolved within our society such as scamming, and other online fraud. There are also issues related to correspondent banking, which is also a part of some of the challenges we face as a society. Being grey-listed in particular jurisdictions has really limited, in many cases, the ability of Jamaicans to do transactions internationally,” Morgan said.

He stated that these transactional barriers are the results of the lack of trust that some international and online businesses have in Jamaicans, and in promoting some of the illegal activities that are currently happening will only cause the country to be seen in a bad light.
“A lot of these things have to do with trust; how much do people trust the systems and the persons from particular jurisdictions who they are doing business with?” the minister questioned.

“And as a society I think we have to work harder to rebuild the trust that people have for us by not promoting, endorsing or engaging in particular activities that may cause other countries and jurisdictions to start looking at us in a particular way,” Morgan said.
On Tuesday the Broadcasting Commission issued a directive that requires broadcasters to immediately stop airing any audio or video promoting scamming, abuse of drugs, illegal or harmful use of guns or any forms of criminal activities.


“The use of the public airwaves to broadcast songs that promote/glorify illegal activity could give the wrong impression that criminality is an accepted feature of Jamaican culture and society,” the Commission stated in the release.

 

[Consigliere]

“And as a society I think we have to work harder to rebuild the trust that people have for us by not promoting, endorsing or engaging in particular activities that may cause other countries and jurisdictions to start looking at us in a particular way,” Morgan said.

“The use of the public airwaves to broadcast songs that promote/glorify illegal activity could give the wrong impression that criminality is an accepted feature of Jamaican culture and society,” the Commission stated in the release.

Wow. I don’t know what the impact would be here if we did this, but it would be fascinating to find out.