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He's capable of having bad games just like everyone else. If he was always like this, you wouldn't be so excited right now. I'm not even a Rockets/Harden fan and you're rushing to call me out when he shoots like shyt :heh:
Just to drive home the silliness of you thinking that he's more fundamentally sound than a prime Kobe.
 

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Just to drive home the silliness of you thinking that he's more fundamentally sound than a prime Kobe.
Prime Kobe had awful games too, you didn't care about those. Harden plays a smarter and more efficient game. Kobe just had more physical talent. How do you reconcile the fact that Harden's statlines match right up with prime Kobe's?
 
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Prime Kobe had awful games too, you didn't care about those.
How are you going to say what I did and didn't care about when it came to Kobe? What makes you think I don't acknowledge his bad games?
Harden plays a smarter and more efficient game.
This is factually wrong. Kobe's best season and best postseason are considerably more efficient and flat out better - by any metric and percentage stat you'd like to use as a measure. Why do you continue to ignore this?
How do you reconcile the fact that Harden's statlines match right up with prime Kobe's?
But they don't. Especially when we start looking further into how a large part of Harden's postseason career has exposed his [lack of] game. Not to mention if wasn't for his role players giving him a second chance (in the Clippers series), we'd be talking about how he's only led his team to one series win in three postseasons.
 

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started off shooting sub 40% last year and we all know how it turned out
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dude seems streaky as hell. just look at those logs. his FG% is all over the place. he can shoot 65% in one game, then 30% the next...hell, the next 3. then he might hit 60% for 2 games, have a 26% night and come back and hit 58% the next few games. shyt, even his ft numbers fluctuate a lot. so it wouldn't surprise me if he went on a tear after a rough start.

obviously everyone has their good games and bad games here and there but now that i'm thinking about it, i wonder if that type of wild inconsistency is common, particularly among star players. maybe it is. :yeshrug:
 
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dude seems streaky as hell. just look at those logs. his FG% is all over the place. he can shoot 65% in one game, then 30% the next...hell, the next 3. then he might hit 60% for 2 games, have a 26% night and come back and hit 58% the next few games. shyt, even his ft numbers fluctuate a lot. so it wouldn't surprise me if he went on a tear after a rough start.

obviously everyone has their good games and bad games here and there but now that i'm thinking about it, i wonder if that type of wild inconsistency is common, particularly among star players. maybe it is. :yeshrug:
Certainly not. It's half the reason this team will always end up failing in the postseason if they continue to count on him as their #1 option.
 

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How are you going to say what I did and didn't care about when it came to Kobe? What makes you think I don't acknowledge his bad games?

This is factually wrong. Kobe's best season and best postseason are considerably more efficient and flat out better - by any metric and percentage stat you'd like to use as a measure. Why do you continue to ignore this?

But they don't. Especially when we start looking further into how a large part of Harden's postseason career has exposed his [lack of] game. Not to mention if wasn't for his role players giving him a second chance (in the Clippers series), we'd be talking about how he's only led his team to one series win in three postseasons.
In Kobes best and most efficient seasons, he was dumped in the first round. I've never seen you bring that up in one of these silly conversations. You seem to put a big emphasis on team success so are you counting those ones or not? :dwillhuh:

Harden does the same routine over and over again because it works. It's not the prettiest thing to see but when he has a bad game, it's not because he went off the reservation. Whether he shot really well or shot like shyt, his shot selection is consistent, he gravitates toward the higher percentage play and he passes and sets up plays very well.

Going by physical talent, Kobes number should be a lot better than Harden's but they're not and its because Harden plays a lot smarter. Your comment about the Clippers game 6 is just a troll comment and Kobe is badly exposed if you really want to take it there :ufdup:
 

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Just to drive home the silliness of you thinking that he's more fundamentally sound than a prime Kobe.
This is something that yall Lakers fans might not want to hear but this could be his "Frobe" era. Where he's more about just getting that ball in the hoop and doesn't worry about how it's done. Which could lead to a "Primebe" when the speed and athleticism drops
 
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In Kobes best and most efficient seasons, he was dumped in the first round. I've never seen you bring that up in one of these silly conversations. You seem to put a big emphasis on team success so are you counting those ones or not? :dwillhuh:
Harden's sub-par performances were one of the main reasons the Rockets were bundled out in the first round, twice in a row - the same can't be said for Kobe.

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Harden does the same routine over and over again because it works.
But it doesn't really work. What happens when the playoffs come around and his inconsistency/dependence on calls eventually catches up with him?
It's not the prettiest thing to see but when he has a bad game, it's not because he went off the reservation.
I don't really care if his game is aesthetically pleasing or not. But like dude said above, he's far too inconsistent to carry a team in the postseason - his play is far too reliant upon factors outside of his control for a team to win a series - more than a high percentage of star players.
Whether he shot really well or shot like shyt, his shot selection is consistent, he gravitates toward the higher percentage play and he passes and sets up plays very well.
His shot selection is also why he has problems with shooting at an efficient rate - especially when he's off because he has little else to fall back on. Which is why he's had A LOT more bad games in his postseason career than good ones.
Going by physical talent, Kobes number should be a lot better than Harden's but they're not and its because Harden plays a lot smarter.
His numbers are A LOT better.Smarter in the fact he knows his limits? Yes. But that doesn't make him the smarter player, since Kobe isn't a one/two trick pony. When Harden hits a wall, he doesn't have the ability/IQ to switch things up and find a new way to break down the defense to find his points. Whether it works or not, Harden continues to do the same thing over and over and over again. That's certainly not smarter than someone who may take unnecessary shots but can read, adapt and try something new if a particular shot isn't falling.

You say it's Harden being smart - but it's really Harden being limited in what he can actually do.
Your comment about the Clippers game 6 is just a troll comment and Kobe is badly exposed if you really want to take it there :ufdup:
It's not a troll comment.

His team was down by 20 points approaching the 4th quarter in an elimination game when he already was the posterboy for postseason failures because of his bad performances.
 

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Prime Kobe had awful games too, you didn't care about those. Harden plays a smarter and more efficient game. Kobe just had more physical talent. How do you reconcile the fact that Harden's statlines match right up with prime Kobe's?
Kobe's Prime had 5 ships ...so go and try to catch up to the Kings bandwagon and see if they remember your face.
 

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Harden's sub-par performances were one of the main reasons the Rockets were bundled out in the first round, twice in a row - the same can't be said for Kobe.

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But it doesn't really work. What happens when the playoffs come around and his inconsistency/dependence on calls eventually catches up with him?

I don't really care if his game is aesthetically pleasing or not. But like dude said above, he's far too inconsistent to carry a team in the postseason - his play is far too reliant upon factors outside of his control for a team to win a series - more than a high percentage of star players.

His shot selection is also why he has problems with shooting at an efficient rate - especially when he's off because he has little else to fall back on. Which is why he's had A LOT more bad games in his postseason career than good ones.

His numbers are A LOT better.Smarter in the fact he knows his limits? Yes. But that doesn't make him the smarter player, since Kobe isn't a one/two trick pony. When Harden hits a wall, he doesn't have the ability/IQ to switch things up and find a new way to break down the defense to find his points. Whether it works or not, Harden continues to do the same thing over and over and over again. That's certainly not smarter than someone who may take unnecessary shots but can read, adapt and try something new if a particular shot isn't falling.

You say it's Harden being smart - but it's really Harden being limited in what he can actually do.

It's not a troll comment.

His team was down by 20 points approaching the 4th quarter in an elimination game when he already was the posterboy for postseason failures because of his bad performances.
It's too early in the season for all of this bullshyt :heh:
 
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