James Harden 12-54 overall shooting this year

[Monoblock]

i guess this nikka was out partying last night :techlaugh:

I'm ashamed Houston even spent money on this clown but its their own fault paying for a bum that just hits up random clubs during the season.

 

[jaguar paw]

I keep telling y'all they aren't contenders

I saw this yesterday and thought it was impossible given all the terrible teams in NBA history.

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

Adidas curse plus Kardashian Curse plus based god curse plus hes a lazy bun

 

[DonKnock]

Between Khloe and Dwight's 8 bms, it's safe to say our stars are more focused on bytches than basketball

There's a reason San Antonio, Cleveland, Golden State, and Oklahoma City are thriving right now

 

[Deaf2twothirds]

That beard is ugly

Yet another cac alert

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Harden is the softest NBA player in history

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Yet another cac alert

U want a cookie for recognizing I'm a cac?

 

[Bilz]

harden was literally on the bench for the entire comeback as brewer/smith were hitting everything. how is it a troll comment to acknowledge that the role players saved them in that game and not harden?


you also talk about harden being smart. you know what he did when he couldn't hit shyt today in the 4th? launch contested threes that all missed. kobe is doing that these days too, but harden isn't 38 years old at the end of his career so what's his excuse?

Smith and Brewer came up huge in that game. Saying that isn't trolling. But essentially giving Harden a 0 for the 7 game series because of one run by his teammates where they rode the hot hand? That is completely trolling.

 

[Bilz]

Because @Bilz thinks there were times in Kobe's career where role players saved him after he had poor performances. The difference is, Harden up to that point of his career was still considered a failure in the postseason and had only won one series in three postseason trips, while performing WORSE than Kobe ever did. Were there times when role players bailed out Kobe during the playoffs? Sure (certainly not to the degree that Houston bailed out Harden), but yes there has been the odd occasion when this has happened. However, by the time most of those cases occurred - he had already proven himself (much like every other star player). Harden hasn't/didn't. The running theme was that he still couldn't translate his regular season play to the postseason because of his flawed style of play.

I don't know why @Bilz continues to overlook this; he even has the nerve to stay that he's "smarter and more fundamentally sound" when he hasn't proven shyt compared to Kobe.

Meh, its just your dishonesty about all of this really. You deny hating Harden and Paul etc and claim you just have some duty to inform the public of the ills of the media narratives, yet you parrot those narratives word for word. If Harden is covered on First Take or Cowherd, they read from the same script that you do. That is not good company.

Like you said, Harden is known for wilting in the playoffs and not getting free throws. You are pretending that he is thought of as a player who should win championships in any circumstance and when it doesn't happen, you celebrate that your criticisms were justified. You are going out of your way to create the Harden praises that you are complaining about just so you'll have an opponent, hence why you randomly called me out for a post from a year ago.

I really can't take that seriously when you for a guy who is quite possibly the most heavily dikkridden athlete in sports history by fans and media alike. Where is your hard hitting piece on the hard numbers behind Kobe in the clutch? Where was your criticism of his 1st team all defense selections when he hadn't played defense in a decade? Nowhere to be found. The agenda is real.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Meh, its just your dishonesty about all of this really.

I am not dishonest about any of this. I still classify both Paul and Harden among the better/best players in the game. I'm not trying to belittle what impact they have in the league.

You deny hating Harden and Paul etc and claim you just have some duty to inform the public of the ills of the media narratives, yet you parrot those narratives word for word. If Harden is covered on First Take or Cowherd, they read from the same script that you do. That is not good company.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Like shyt, give me some respect. More than half the shyt I post on here criticizing those two I've NEVER heard on First Take, Cowherd or any other banal ESPN/corporate controversial-for-the-sake-of-viewership satire - for starters I don't talk about their public lives or their character off the court nor do I bring up basic ass talking points that they all seem to bleed dry. I was speaking on Harden's limitations and breaking his game down to the very decimal before the trade and throughout his career in Houston.

Tell me who the fukk in ESPN is saying shyt like this - http://www.thecoli.com/threads/its-...hris-paul-as-a-great-defensive-player.368946/ when discussing Paul's defense?

Like you said, Harden is known for wilting in the playoffs and not getting free throws. You are pretending that he is thought of as a player who should win championships in any circumstance and when it doesn't happen.

I don't pretend at all that he should be winning championships in any circumstance - because I don't expect that from him. I do take offense when dudes claim like somehow they're vindicated from supporting him or trying to prove others wrong when it comes to his game like somehow things have changed - then we get the same shyt postseason after postseason of him failing to deliver. Not in the fact of his team losing in a vacuum, but HOW they lose directly/indirectly from his play.

Can you please answer this for me - how would Harden be viewed if those role players didn't give him a second life against the Clippers?

when it doesn't happen, you celebrate that your criticisms were justified. You are going out of your way to create the Harden praises that you are complaining about just so you'll have an opponent, hence why you randomly called me out for a post from a year ago.

How the fukk did I create that shyt when YOU were the one that stated that Harden is more fundamentally sound and smarter than any form of Kobe? Like really, how did I create that? Is that a figment of my imagination or did you really post that? Is it a figment of my imagination that you have a warped sense of what fundamentally sounds means in basketball, or is it just convenient for you to have that sort of a take when it comes to Kobe? Is it a figment of my imagination that dudes have tagged me endlessly throughout the last two-three seasons about Harden's play? Is it a figment of my imagination that they believe he's turned a corner only to have them backtracking at the end of season because he fails to perform?

I wouldn't expect you to know this since you aren't me, and don't have knowledge of what I encounter on this board. But I also expect you not to act like I go outta my way to create the Harden praises that I complain about, as if they don't exist.

I really can't take that seriously when you for a guy who is quite possibly the most heavily dikkridden athlete in sports history by fans and media alike.

See this is the innate problem with you - you group me in with every other Kobe stan on this board. I don't excuse him for his style of play when it directly and indirectly affects games nor do I praise or rank him above where he should rightfully be. I never have. If the criticism is warranted I welcome it. I don't turn a blind eye. I also don't turn a blind eye to folk like you who've dug their heels in so much over the years when it comes to Kobe, that it's worn out your sense of reason because you've become bitter and confused to the point where you can't keep track of who is saying what. Evidence as above - you think that just because I'm a Kobe fan that I adhere to all that zealot protocol of being a stan.

What you fail to realize is that you and others are responsible for some of the shyt you complain about, because it's an endless tug-of-war of you trying to pull the other side into the pit of sagacity that you'll use anything and everything to prove a point, even it's filled with conjecture and half truths.

Where is your hard hitting piece on the hard numbers behind Kobe in the clutch? Where was your criticism of his 1st team all defense selections when he hadn't played defense in a decade? Nowhere to be found. The agenda is real.

Do I really need to give you a hard hitting piece on Kobe's faults and underserved achievements as if you and a large number of others haven't been beating that dead horse for the last decade? What would be the point in that? What would be the point in trying to reason with you (with yall exaggerating for effect to counter the pro-Kobe arguments), when you can't see the truth because you're too busy trying to shoot down strawmen and treat me as if every single poster that likes Kobe also believes everything else that the extremists believe too?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Bilz why don't we have a proper discussion on Kobe's faults (his style of play or his achievements that have been based on reputation and not his on-court play - case in point his All-NBA Defensive team selections)? I'm willing to prove to you that I don't have an agenda when it comes to Kobe. While we're at it, are you willing to admit that YOU do have an agenda when it comes to Kobe?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Smith and Brewer came up huge in that game. Saying that isn't trolling. But essentially giving Harden a 0 for the 7 game series because of one run by his teammates where they rode the hot hand? That is completely trolling.

The point was to illustrate that like the two previous postseasons and the postseason before that in OKC, was that his inconsistent and one-trick style of play was responsible for the demise of his team. You're speaking as if that one run by his teammates is contrasted with Harden carrying them in a playoff series (ya'know actually proving himself), when before that he failed to "carry" them in the previous two postseasons. They essentially gave Harden a free pass, because again like the previous TWO postseasons, he failed to perform to whatever ability those in bed with his success think he has.

 

[jaydolf spitler]

i guess this nikka was out partying last night :techlaugh:

You are who you associate with. The dualities between him and meek right now

 

[Bilz]

Paragraphs for days

The thing is, I'm not lumping you in with the stuff that Kobe Stans say or do. But I also don't buy these claims that you don't hate Paul and Harden and are just educating the public against common misconceptions with these posts. That thread you made about Chris Paul's defense was one you never made about Kobe. The general public and media routinely lauded his defense despite him not really playing any of it for years and you never had an issue with that. He was ball watching against the other teams worst offensive player and getting 1st place DPOY votes during Dwight's prime for fukks sake

Your thread about Paul was fine, I saw no issue with it. The defensive reputations are always behind the curve. It takes players years to get recognized for the defense they play and it takes years for people to realize when that defense starts falling off. Paul's defense is something that is generally accepted as being good so I understand your points about it. Your criticisms of Harden are extremely mainstream, however. Cowherd says the same thing almost word for word, as do most of the other shock jocks out there. Harden is not well liked around the league, people hate his antics so much that they convince themselves he isn't even a good player. I don't really understand the need to tear him down because he isn't being built up like that in the first place. He has a few bad games and you're flooding the first page and calling me out for a comment from like a year ago just so you can have reason to talk about how much you hate his game. Even though a bunch of other people are also ripping him and he doesn't really have many Stans in here that I know of, the "I don't want to belabor the point , other people are already talking about it" rules you use with Kobe apparently don't apply.

I do admit I don't like Kobe or his game. I've never pretended to be an equal opportunity hater. You play favorites more than anyone on this forum. Just embrace it.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The thing is, I'm not lumping you in with the stuff that Kobe Stans say or do. But I also don't buy these claims that you don't hate Paul and Harden and are just educating the public against common misconceptions with these posts. That thread you made about Chris Paul's defense was one you never made about Kobe.

So now I have to make threads about all players now whose defensive reputation exceed their output? I mentioned years ago (2011) on SOHH that Kobe didn't deserve to be in the first defensive team. I mean I'm admitting to you now that he didn't deserve to be named on SOME of those teams. Isn't that enough, that I acknowledge it? Do I have to create a thread every time I think a player is being crowned undeservedly, to your liking so that you're happy that I'm being fair and of sound judgment?

The general public and media routinely lauded his defense despite him not really playing any of it for years and you never had an issue with that. He was ball watching against the other teams worst offensive player and getting 1st place DPOY votes during Dwight's prime for fukks sake

Did I feel that others should've been ahead of him? Absolutely. But then again you and others made it known how his defense had fallen off, ad nauseum. I didn't turn a blind eye to it, nor do I agree with him being named on some of those teams - certainly between 2010-2011.

Your thread about Paul was fine, I saw no issue with it. The defensive reputations are always behind the curve. It takes players years to get recognized for the defense they play and it takes years for people to realize when that defense starts falling off. Paul's defense is something that is generally accepted as being good so I understand your points about it. Your criticisms of Harden are extremely mainstream, however. Cowherd says the same thing almost word for word, as do most of the other shock jocks out there.

Well let me put it like this, I among a few posters on here were the first ones to dissect his game. If those talking points finally were recognized by the casual viewer, than it's certainly nothing about it - they were just slow to keep up. I was one of the first to talk about his lack of midrange, give detailed shooting graphs/heat maps and mid range to total shot ratios, where his hot spots were etc etc. This is all on this board.

Harden is not well liked around the league, people hate his antics so much that they convince themselves he isn't even a good player.

He won the NBA Players' MVP award last season.