Japan: Land of Declining Sons (60 Minutes)

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The good news is the only location that has positive birth rates is in Africa. Where exactly I forgot but all in due time we will reign again. :ahh:
 

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You just asked if a slave is happier than a free person.

Now you wanna give me some politically correct answer as if you actually care about the feelings and wellbeing of women.

The first post showed your hand.

Have you ever considered that maybe the solution is having a society that isn't built on oppression might be a better solution that just bringing more and more people into this fukked up realty.

Maybe just maybe birthrate are falling because the environment we live in is not suitable for offerspring and on a biological level we know that.
How is it slavery? There's women in my family, and other families across the US that are highly educated and highly religious and the women decide to bear children successfully. My aunt was a nurse - got a bachelor's in nursing, uncle was an electrician and they both decided to build a church in Augusta and they worked together. You're acting like the Black community ran on oppressive gender roles and all religious communities run on this.

You're just arguing in bad faith here have a very negative view on a certain perspective.
 

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Its only a temporary solution. In Germany for example within one generation the immigrants children barely have kids either. Its not the people, there is a fundamental problem that no country seems to be able to fix.
True, its a human issue.


Do any black countries or black or brown sections have this issue


:lupe:


I NEVER see that report :skip:
Yes, aside from haiti the entire carribean has a fertility rate below replacement levels. Most of latin america is beneath it also. Structurally speaking the world is unstable. I fear even Africa will be in the same mess in the next 20 years.


In Africa, as relative education , wealth and productivity rise; the fertility rates are plummeting. For instance south africa is barely above replacement levels of 2.1 children per woman and this is down by almost a third from the 90s where it was 50 percent highe at 3.2r. Similar dynamics of plummeting rates in egypt , Kenya, and ghana as their societies develop.




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Poor people suffer because the affluent hoard wealth.

A women living in poverty doesn't have a better life by laying up with a man popping out 6 kids while everyone in the house is stupid as hell.

:mjlol::dead:

Ya'll literally just say anything.
I'm saying that those groups of people (uneducated men & women) are marrying less and having children less.

Also when I mean the affluent I mean a net household income of over 150k which would be an upper middle class family, not talking elites here. We're almost having a cultural eugenics here where only a select group are able to have the dream of building a family and having a sustainable household which is not good for society as a whole.

Most people are 'average' in many aspects, not affluent/upper, so if we want a better country we have to look at alternatives which is why I suggested safety nets, better social services, more parental leave, etc which you conveniently decided to omit when you said I was 'showing my hand'
 

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having children without having the means to support them leads to and reinforces poverty, so higher birth rates without considering the economic impact is not sustainable
No, you can survive as a poor country and a poor family if it came to that. Most countries are probably poor right now.

Also, consider the economic problems of too few people.
just like not having enough kids to maintain the population as well.
Not at all the same. This is problem is existential.
 

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No, you can survive as a poor country and a poor family if it came to that. Most countries are probably poor right now.

Also, consider the economic problems of too few people.

Not at all the same. This is problem is existential.
Just "surviving" is much less preferable to thriving. Having more kids than you can afford is not something you should point to as a response to industrialized countries with declining birth rates.
 

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Just "surviving" is much less preferable to thriving.
Of course.

But I'd rather have a poor country than a non existant one. And non existant is what some countries are facing.
 

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Its only a temporary solution. In Germany for example within one generation the immigrants children barely have kids either. Its not the people, there is a fundamental problem that no country seems to be able to fix.
You need free Healthcare, free daycare, free dental. Honestly, countries like the US, Canada, Japan, etc need to really tax their rich and the companies, and invest it into children. Reduce the cost of parenting so that young people actually want to be parents, can get rewarded for having children, and not feel so economically tapped. The cost of living needs to come down, and as long as companies are making record profits, while controlling governments, there is no incentive to have children. It's a lose-lose situation. So we have to put our foot down and put people over profits
 

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Women have to be ok with dating down without shame and men have to be ok with the wife being the breadwinner and decision maker.


Neither side is willing to do that, women feel they can do better and men feel like a bytch in that role.
See that's something that isn't talked about. Second Wave Feminism was about trying to break the confines of gender roles.

I make more than my girl but I joke about being a stay at home dad because I already WFH and know how to cook lol. Would I quit my job though? Definitely not. Have more household duties sure.

I doubt that men or women like you said would be willing for the woman to be the breadwinner and the guy being the stay at home dad or doing the household duties. My ex's sister and her brother in law have that arrangement.

He's older, takes care of the two kids (granted he can't drive because he's from the UK), and she works at a VA hospital. In spite of my ex's family being progressive, their parents do NOT like that arrangement lol.

So would you say they were wrong thinking that the man should be doing the lion's share of the work or are they 'regressive' in their ideas (which something many liberals, progressives, feminsts, would argue)?

The reality is NO many men and women across the board wouldn't be down with this arrangement, but since we are becoming a more egalitarian society maybe these roles should change a bit but I doubt it'll happen.
 

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japan need to fix their work and school culture. they're so locked in doing well in school, getting a good job then committing their lives to work. if they changed that expectation and put more focus on a healthy work/life balance then that'll add a big boost to their population. just letting immigrants in would be a nightmare for them.
 

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If they were more open to foreigners they could buffer their population decline easily with immigrants. A lot of people would love to live in Japan
Why is the solution always immigration? How about countries start making it easier for people to start families? That doesn’t fix the problem just pushes it onto the poor.
 

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True, its a human issue.



Yes, aside from haiti the entire carribean has a fertility rate below replacement levels. Most of latin america is beneath it also. Structurally speaking the world is unstable. I fear even Africa will be in the same mess in the next 20 years.


In Africa, as relative education , wealth and productivity rise; the fertility rates are plummeting. For instance south africa is barely above replacement levels of 2.1 children per woman and this is down by almost a third from the 90s where it was 50 percent highe at 3.2r. Similar dynamics of plummeting rates in egypt , Kenya, and ghana as their societies develop.




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Damn breh you were not kidding Jamaica is 1.3 :damn:. I assumed they had more kids for some reason.
 
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