Jay-Z: How can the "GOAT" Always come in "2nd??" - The ULTIMATE Devils Advocate Thread

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Stans Lie, JiggaWarriors lie, Google Don't....


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#JayDidntHaveONEyear #factsOnly:myman:
 
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50 million albums sold, 17 Grammys and he's worth 1/2 a BILLION.

Won't argue, eminem and Wayne and hell even MC hammer have def been "more popular". But ask ANY artist who's career they'd rather have.
 
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CashmereThoughts said:
50 million albums sold, 17 Grammys and he's worth 1/2 a BILLION.

Won't argue, eminem and Wayne and hell even MC hammer have def been "more popular". But ask ANY artist who's career they'd rather have.
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Only in rap is money>>music

That's why rap gets ZERO respect from other genres, and rightfully so
 
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Public Enemies said:
Only in rap is money>>music

That's why rap gets ZERO respect from other genres, and rightfully so
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You're the one who completely glossed over homies first two points. The amount of sales speaks to the quality of the music. Many artists have sold big numbers once or twice, but to consistently sell a minimum of a million records in 3 different decades speaks to the quality of the music, not a flash in the pan like Vanilla Ice. Ask Wayne how come he only sells platinum if it's named "Carter" and all other releases are gold?

Grammys speak to the quality as well, these are actual awards being given for the quality and not sales or money because 50 Cent only has 1 and it wasn't even his song. Whether you agree on nominations or respect Grammys is another topic, but I guarantee you most of the same cats talkling shyt about Grammys were the same ones in the Nas Grammy thread crying about how he doesn't have one. For the record I believe it's a travesty too but that's neither here no there.
 
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The OP is suggesting that the ones who think Jay is the best are stat geeks. Cause Jay's been gettin by his whole career on stats... and not only that REMINDING you of his stats. His number of #1 albums, his longevity in the game, his paper, his hot wife, his business reach... Hov leads in a lot of these categories and he's gonna push these on you like it's all that matters.... but realistically this would be like a dude braggin about leadin the league in points but not never winnin the championship. Is he still the best?

Jay never had that scoring title, regular season MVP, and Finals MVP all in one season type years.
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I've been trying to tell nikkas this for YEARS.........:banderas:.....I haven't even read through this thread yet..but lawd....i bet them Hov stans got :damn:......

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Going to post this again... It's so damn powerful.... I'm only doing what JAY ASKED ME TO DO.....


Jay-Z on Tom Ford: "Numbers don't lie, Check the Scoreboard!"


-FACT - Biggie / Pac Dominated the 90s sales
-FACT - Eminem / Nelly Dominated the 2,000's sales
-FACT - Biggie, Pac, Eminem, 50, Luda, Nelly have more #1 hits than him
-FACT - Jay-Z sold the most albums only 1 year in his career, 2006 (Kindom come, worst album, top 5 players injured: 50, Kanye, Eminem, Wayne didn't drop albums)
-FACT - Eminem is the best selling rap artist of all time
-FACT - Biggie, Pac, Eminem average more platinum plaques per album than Jay
-FACT - Jay-Z only has the 16th best selling rap album of all time, Biggie, 2pac, Eminem all have albums above him
-FACT - Eminem, Lil Wayne, 50 and almost Kanye, have all sold 1 million in their first week.. Something Jay-Z has openly said he wish he could do (but NEVER will)
-FACT - Lil Wayne has the most hits on the Billboard hot 100 of any rapper ever
-FACT - While Big / Pac were alive, Jay-Z never went better than platinum... He went Multi the year after Biggie released his last album.
-FACT - Jay-Z has 12 #1 albums... Graduation / Curtis were released on same day... Graduation #1 album.... Curtis #2 album.... American Gangster #1 album... Curtis outsold American Gangster. (translation, #1 album means NOTHING, the stats above are the meaningful stats)



I checked the scoreboard.... And Jay is losing in ALL major categories :ehh:
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Uh Oh:leon::leon::leon:



nikkas messed up when they wanted to start talking about "So and so album was released in december, so we can't count it for that year" and all that shyt....:lawd:



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Stankonia = Sold 4 million
Blueprint = Sold 2.7 million...



Look when those outkast singles were released......:ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh:





REAL shyt, I remember So fresh and so clean + Ms Jackson more than I remember Girls Girls Girls + Izzo:dead:




That Ms Jackson was the biggest shyt in the WORLD when it dropped......:scusthov:.... (Ms Jackson Reached #1 on Billboard... Izzo peaked at #8)


shyt even got better ratings from the Critics ACROSS THE BOARD... :sadcam:So there goes the "Classic" argument...:wow:



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So when you factor In Outkast's 2 biggest singles where released in 2001...... AND they sold 4 million to Blueprints 2.7.... AND better ratings from all major publications.....



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2001 = Outkasts year.......... UNDISPUTABLY ....:deadrose: (and U.O.E.N.O it)



#FactsOnly

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Quoting for Emphasis


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TOTAL RUSHING YARDS CAREER:
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Emmit Smith - 18,355
Barry Sanders - 15,269
Jim Brown - 12,312



YARDS PER CARRY FOR CAREER:
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Jim Brown - 5.2
Barry Sanders - 5.0
Emmit Smith - 4.2



Barry Sanders = Retired early, 10 years in the league
Jim Brown = Retired Early, 9 years in the league
Emmit Smith = Stayed passed his prime, 15 years in the league.




100000% of the world recognizes both Jim Brown and Barry Sanders as greater than Emmitt Smith



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TOTAL CAREER ASSISTS:
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.1John Stockton 15806
2.Jason Kidd 12091
3.Mark Jackson 10334
4.Steve Nash 10249
5.Magic Johnson*10141


ASSISTS PER GAME HISTORY:
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1.Magic Johnson 11.19
2.John Stockton 10.51
3.Chris Paul 9.82
4.Oscar Robertson 9.51
5.Isiah Thomas 9.26



10000000% of the world recognizes Magic Johnson as the best passer in NBA history


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TOTAL CAREER POINTS
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1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38387
2. Karl Malone 36928
3. Michael Jordan 32292
4. Kobe Bryant 31617
5. Wilt Chamberlain 31419

CAREER SCORING AVERAGE
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1. Michael Jordan 30.12 (including garbage, no chance at title, in it for the passion years with Wizards)
2. Wilt Chamberlain 30.07
3. LeBron James 27.53
4. Elgin Baylor 27.36
5. Jerry West 27.03




10000000000000% of the world Recognizes Jordan as the best scorer in NBA history...



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When we apply the SAME logic / facts to Jigga stans, it's "hating":usure:.... and they bring up his "longevity" .... :pachaha:


By the way... Jordan also lead the league in scoring 10 times.... (yea, 10..) Thats something we are saying Jay NEVER DID, but, he's "Mike jordan of Mic recording"? :ld:..... More like AC Green?:ld:


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ps...... #FactsOnly
 
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really said:
@ROFL_GUY

Uh Oh:leon::leon::leon:



Yo BrothaZay.... nikkas messed up when they wanted to start talking about "So and so album was released in december, so we can't count it for that year" and all that shyt....:lawd:



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Stankonia = Sold 4 million
Blueprint = Sold 2.7 million...



Look when those outkast singles were released......:ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh::ahh:





REAL shyt, I remember So fresh and so clean + Ms Jackson more than I remember Girls Girls Girls + Izzo:dead:




That Ms Jackson was the biggest shyt in the WORLD when it dropped......:scusthov:.... (Ms Jackson Reached #1 on Billboard... Izzo peaked at #8)


shyt even got better ratings from the Critics ACROSS THE BOARD... :sadcam:So there goes the "Classic" argument...:wow:



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So when you factor In Outkast's 2 biggest singles where released in 2001...... AND they sold 4 million to Blueprints 2.7.... AND better ratings from all major publications.....



:banderas:





2001 = Outkasts year.......... UNDISPUTABLY ....:deadrose: (and U.O.E.N.O it)



#FactsOnly

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