Jay-Z is not top 5 !

[No Hook]

Reasonable Doubt is the most forced "classic" of all time.

Forced classic?

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

NaS,Pac,Big,and jay should be in every credible persons top 5. I can't take you seriously if one is missing.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

I guess I just value lyrics more than you when comparing these too.
At least you acknowledge Nas' greatness and Jay's dip in quality as far as lyrical content over the years.
Album for album...Hov does have the adventage.
Both are top 3 for me though, lol.

I mean that's fair enough. For me though how do I assess who's better lyrically between Nas and Cube? Two totally different styles.

NaS,Pac,Big,and jay should be in every credible persons top 5. I can't take you seriously if one is missing.

Cube, Ghost, Redman, Common, HOV/Scarface

 

[BmoreGorilla]

If we're being completely objective he's the clear number one. No rapper ever has come close to his level of longevity and consistency

 

[Funkadelic]

NaS,Pac,Big,and jay should be in every credible persons top 5. I can't take you seriously if one is missing.

You can't have this demand tho, breh.
People listen to what they listen to and they like what they like. It's subjective.

 

[Funkadelic]

@Inspect Her Deck

Right, that is a bit of a dilemma.
( the quoting messed up so i'm tagging instead )

 

[BK The Great]

threads like this further explains people hate Jay so bad they have to discredit everything he's done for hip hop. he's credible for a Top 5 spot, whether people agree or not.

 

[The Ruler 09]

He's in my top 10.

 

[African Peasant]

3 classic albums that's more than either one of Nas or Big, the latter of which hardly released enough material to merit comparison.

He doesn't have 3 classic albums.

If we're generous, we'd say he has 2 : RD and BP. The Black album is good but it's not a classic. Same thing with AG.

And RD and BP are not on Illmatic - Ready to Die level.

 

[African Peasant]

If we're being completely objective he's the clear number one. No rapper ever has come close to his level of longevity and consistency

Longevity is not an artistic criteria. You can stay around by way of politics in the industry.

If Jay didn't mary Beyonce and din"t become super rich, he wouldn't be around.

 

[Bugsmoran]

I'll put Hov around top 7

 

[African Peasant]

threads like this further explains people hate Jay so bad they have to discredit everything he's done for hip hop. he's credible for a Top 5 spot, whether people agree or not.

This thread is not about hate or love. I'm too old to have feelings for these rappers. The thread is about hierarchy, nothing else.

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

I mean that's fair enough. For me though how do I assess who's better lyrically between Nas and Cube? Two totally different styles.



Cube, Ghost, Redman, Common, HOV/Scarface

You'll get clowned on if you presented that to the masses.

@Inspect Her Deck

Right, that is a bit of a dilemma.
( the quoting messed up so i'm tagging instead )

Yes I can Everyone is entitled to their opinion on music and I'm entitled on who I deem credible. You're saying your ok if someone lists a top 5 of Bleek,wiz,Lil Zane,soulja boy,and bubba sparks

 

[Farrinto]

Jay>>>Big

And I'm a super stan of both

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

He doesn't have 3 classic albums.

If we're generous, we'd say he has 2 : RD and BP. The Black album is good but it's not a classic. Same thing with AG.

And RD and BP are not on Illmatic - Ready to Die level.

Again...we give Jay 2 we gotta give Nas 1. IWW is not on that level either.

You'll get clowned on if you presented that to the masses.

Not if I qualify my list by emphasising the discography factor

Casuals tend to list Pac, Nas, Em, Jay and Big by default. That's a boring ass and logically inconsistent top 5.