Jay-Z is not top 5 !

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Are you saying Jay is better than Nas now?
LIG was damn near classic. MCHG was trash.
Nas' features lately have been razor sharp too.
This is what I said, "This is sad because NAS is one of the best to ever do it he just doesn't seem to have the interest in doing it well as often as Jay has."

LIG was a great come back for NAS, but let's not pretend like he didn't drop a slew of underwhelming projects. Jay has simply been more consistent. Who's better now is irrelevant since neither seem to have any interest in dropping an album. I've found myself listening to more Jay, in part because there is more Jay to listen to, that's important when ranking them for me. Feature wise they've both delivered.

MCHG wasn't trash. It just had too many songs that didn't live up to the standard we expected from the album.
 

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Let me evaluate their pros and cons, then compare them to Hov's, because this some typical "I hate Camel" fukk nikka shyt. One day you losers praise him like he is Black Jesus, next day same childish ass Camel jokes, do you nikkas watch National Geographic?
:russ:

Cube sucks mostly at punchlines, rhyme schemes and decent flows.
He has some good concepts and is a great storyteller, used to write classic diss tracks. Once Cube reached the 00's his peak potential dipped immediately, face it. As me being a nikka from Cali, anyone with common sense knew what was gonna happen, he went "Straight Into The Hills".

Big seldom evolved across 2 albums, he wasn't actually doing new things in rapping. Stans say he is original and that Jay bit him, but thanked Black Moon for giving him a style to run with in "Ready To Die" album credits.
He was like every other renowned New York Rap artist, get over it, Puffy gassed him long before we all knew he wasn't able to see through the bullshyt and label politics.

Pac is reknown as a storyteller, songwriter and being a great rhymer, nice flows and spiritually heavy delivery. But he had a tendency to repeat himself, and be contradicting as fukk after Death Row.

Scarface is reknown for storytelling and some concepts, that's it.

Nas has 2 good diss tracks, outdated punchlines, but classic storytelling songs and some great concepts. But nikkas acting like Nas hasn't dropped tons of trash or filler either, "Remember The Times" is the most cringe song made from that era.

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Here's why Hov always deserves to be Top 5, if not 10 being placed above them in categories they never will make in.


Hov still alive unlike Big and Pac and shown capabilities to change style on numerous projects for long term success. Nas has an unlistenable, and inconsistent discography both musically and artistically outside 4 albums. Pac wasn't well-rounded, despite his iconic status as a songwriter and Rap artist. Scarface isn't even the best storyteller of all the ones you mentioned.

In contrast, Hov has better bars than ALL of them on most of his projects, various rhyme schemes, changed flows on single songs more than they have for entire discographies, gives you new perspectives on stories (Nas seldom does), tons of concepts, delivery has more emotion than Nas, Biggie and Scarface (Cube and Pac have him there). To this day still has lines having you go :ohhh::banderas: decades later.

Do I even gotta mention this nikka's feature and remix game? I dare you to try to compare those other nikkas who aren't praised for that in any way. Please, do and :camby:

How he is not in their league, if not above them? nikka ain't dead yet, Nas still can't give you something different 10 years later, Cube never had street cred and making the:trash: past 3 albums, Scarface is only good at one thing which 100's of emcees are already better than him at. Nas rapping about now shyt y'all Stan him for, Hov been covering over 15 years ago, but whatever you stay complaining about Rap being boring with topics, what is Nas's excuse?

You don't hear them rapping over new production styles either (when Nas, Cube or Scarface tries it sounds terrible), or trying to advance their craft in other ways.

Not gonna lie, Hov has had his down moments like they have too, but you tripping if you think he don't have a well aged discography, with a natural curve sensibly declining in quality.

He also didn't get played by Puffy or Suge, won most of his beefs, is a constant inspiration for even New generation of rappers, Nas signed to him when he was Def Jam president and Cube went onto make Hollywood movies.

Recently, he just bought all his masters, excluding RD!

But he ain't TOP TIER to you basic nikkas?

:huhldup::russ:

@Inspect Her Deck and I thought RG's casual fanbase was bad at debating GOAT's in Rap. Coli secretly hates this nikka for embodying everything they wanted in a "Real Rap artist" and even did it commercially, still no respect.

Everything you nikkas hate about Rap now, how many times has Hov saved it or at least delayed it? With no thanks to Nas's trend-hopping ass, Puffy's opulence and shark nikka ways, Pac's obsession with gang ties, Big's need to overcompensate the same subject matter that plagues stagnant growth for New York today for the sake of "realness", Scarface not taking risks at all for the South, etc.
Disagree with things like "PAC wasn't well rounded"


I think PACs ultimate strength is his versatility. And being well rounded.

But overall as a message I agree Jay undoubtly is top 5( he's in my top 10) :ehh:
 

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Wow the disrespect is crazy in here, i understand certain people have their preferences but i dont get how nikkas in here really shytting on Hov, like he overrated trash, off straight influence he should be top 5, i get the last couple of albums have been basura but relax what artist has consistently great albums and lets be real your favorite artist would spend 75% of his budget for a hov feature. And this bullshyt about how if it wasn't for big or pac passing he wouldn't be anywhere is just bullshyt cause that's just speculation and your discussing a matter which you may never know the answer too. He has more classic material, verses, quotable phrases than everybody that dudes are putting over him.
 

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He's better than Nas and Big for sure.

He's in the realm of Pac and Scarface.

Cube is in another dimension though. GOAT.


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Better than Biggie? Lol...Jay Z has been great but he wouldn't be the man he is if BIG was alive or had DMX was able to keep it together.

You do realize he wasn't really in their lanes?

Biggie was mostly Hardcore, DMX was damn near Horrorcore, Hov was a mix of Braggadocious/Mafioso (of course Biggie had his and DMX's types of lyrical content, but he didn't master it the way they did).I would agree if they approached music the exact same way, you're talking about 3 emcees who all appealed to different enthusiasts and Hip-Hop Heads. Artists whom happened to intersect, in crossing each other's paths at one point in the Golden Age, within their respective primes.
 

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You do realize he wasn't really in their lanes?

Biggie was mostly Hardcore, DMX was damn near Horrorcore, Hov was a mix of Braggadocious/Mafioso (of course Biggie had his and DMX's types of lyrical content, but he didn't master it the way they did).I would agree if they approached music the exact same way, you're talking about 3 emcees who all appealed to different enthusiasts and Hip-Hop Heads. Artists whom happened to intersect, in crossing each other's paths at one point in the Golden Age, within their respective primes.
People make up any excuse not to give Jay credit. Let some of ya'll tell it Jay on popped because R&B died. :scusthov:
 

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The problem I have with putting NAS ahead of Jay is that NAS is being outworked and out performed by his contemporary. Jay leads Nas in most metrics. This is sad because NAS is one of the best to ever do it he just doesn't seem to have the interest in doing it well as often as Jay has. That matters to me, but I understand why it doesn't matter to others.

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Hov set the BLUEPRINT literally (no pun) for the way a rapper career should pan out. From rapper/boss to exec to mf ICON. That ALONE warrants top 5. On top a that the ngga progressed each album frm high tier street rapper to grwn man raps still spittin fuego. Nggas discreditin Hov speakin blasphemy in here
 

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This is what I said, "This is sad because NAS is one of the best to ever do it he just doesn't seem to have the interest in doing it well as often as Jay has."

LIG was a great come back for NAS, but let's not pretend like he didn't drop a slew of underwhelming projects. Jay has simply been more consistent. Who's better now is irrelevant since neither seem to have any interest in dropping an album. I've found myself listening to more Jay, in part because there is more Jay to listen to, that's important when ranking them for me. Feature wise they've both delivered.

MCHG wasn't trash. It just had too many songs that didn't live up to the standard we expected from the album.
Nas and Jay have both dropped many disapppinting albums. Jay is not more consistent than Nas.
MCHG was terrible. Jays worst album by a country mile.
 

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Wow the disrespect is crazy in here, i understand certain people have their preferences but i dont get how nikkas in here really shytting on Hov, like he overrated trash, off straight influence he should be top 5, i get the last couple of albums have been basura but relax what artist has consistently great albums and lets be real your favorite artist would spend 75% of his budget for a hov feature. And this bullshyt about how if it wasn't for big or pac passing he wouldn't be anywhere is just bullshyt cause that's just speculation and your discussing a matter which you may never know the answer too. He has more classic material, verses, quotable phrases than everybody that dudes are putting over him.
I don't know about the last part.
 

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You do realize he wasn't really in their lanes?

Biggie was mostly Hardcore, DMX was damn near Horrorcore, Hov was a mix of Braggadocious/Mafioso (of course Biggie had his and DMX's types of lyrical content, but he didn't master it the way they did).I would agree if they approached music the exact same way, you're talking about 3 emcees who all appealed to different enthusiasts and Hip-Hop Heads. Artists whom happened to intersect, in crossing each other's paths at one point in the Golden Age, within their respective primes.
I disagree about how you're characterizing them.
Jay and Big were much closer in terms of lanes than X.
 

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Hov set the BLUEPRINT literally (no pun) for the way a rapper career should pan out. From rapper/boss to exec to mf ICON. That ALONE warrants top 5. On top a that the ngga progressed each album frm high tier street rapper to grwn man raps still spittin fuego. Nggas discreditin Hov speakin blasphemy in here
None of this really has anything to do with the music though.
 
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