Jay-Z is not top 5 !

[Murkman]

I disagree about how you're characterizing them.
Jay and Big were much closer in terms of lanes than X.

No they weren't, Jay wasn't ever as graphic or had shock value like Biggie, their writing processes show huge differences in personality as well.

Biggie was already stuck in his ways, Hov couldn't be like that the rest of his career and decided to try other ways to express himself. Everytime Biggie said something that hit you right or wrong, Hov always had another way of saying it with a more cerebral and intellectual touch. Biggie was classless, Hov had more class, wit and nuance and still could get under your skin as good as any others.

You're comparing an high rank bully, to an overachieving jock that could still put you in your place (and who had a real dark side), anytime if NY Rap was a reimagined highschool. But because the bully was the principal's (Puffy's) favorite, the jock would go on to be underestimated after the bully died exactly how you expected him too (Some speculate Hov ordered Big's hit, which is not only ludicrous but extremely disrespectful given their past bond as brothers). If "X" was on that Mafioso trend too, whatever but you forgot all 3 did their own styles of Hardcore Rap.

 

[Pressure]

Name one Jay Z song with a better song structure.

Song cry...

 

[Tide Run This]

Jay z > Ice Cube.

Ice Cube being top 5 is laughable.

Fell off too hard

 

[pointproven214]

Jay z > Ice Cube.

Ice Cube being top 5 is laughable.

are u kidding me jay-z went from making albums like bluerpint rd dynasty to blueprint 3 kingdom come american gangster etc

at least cube made raw footage laugh now cry later etc.

 

[Murkman]

Name one Jay Z song with a better song structure.

It's an intro with 3 verses, are you serious?

That is traditional storytelling, with each verse changing in perspective, wow groundbreaking.

 

[Murkman]

are u kidding me jay-z went from making albums like bluerpint rd dynasty to blueprint 3 kingdom come american gangster etc

at least cube made raw footage laugh now cry later etc.

You call those "Straight Outta Compton" old head wannabes, better albums?

You users just be randomly throwing out everchanging standards. When is the last time Cube made an album that Hip-Hop actually has openly supported and cared about? When Game came out, no one cared about Cube in the 00's he overstayed his welcome and ran out of potential new material.

 

[pointproven214]

Pac
Big
Em
Nas
Cube

No particular order imo. I mean Jay-Z is cool but a lot of his albums after The Black Album were either trash or sub-par. I bought Kingdom Come the year he came back and the shyt was just straight up ass I was pissed I wasted my money but I sold it later and got my money back. Blueprint 3 wasn't that great either and the thing is at that time they tried to call Jay-Z a trendsetter when in reality he bit so many different rappers rhymes (mostly BIG) it wasn't even funny. MCHG I actually liked and was much of an improvement from BP3. Jay-Z top 5 artist of all time not in my book. Top 10 most definitely.

i feel like he put out too many albums that tarnished his legacy it's like jordan with the wizards or kobe in his latter part of his career

 

[FlyRy]

Reasonable Doubt is the most forced "classic" of all time.

Nas stans tried to tell us Untitled was a classic.

Only they remember that album exists

 

[pointproven214]

Nas stans tried to tell us Untitled was a classic.

Only they remember that album exists

that shyt was a classic imo

 

[Murkman]

Disagree with things like "PAC wasn't well rounded"


I think PACs ultimate strength is his versatility. And being well rounded.

But overall as a message I agree Jay undoubtly is top 5( he's in my top 10)

Maybe I am being harsher on Pac for his rate of putting out too many songs at an near impossible frame of time.

He does have versatility, but it was all over the place. To this day, Pac's own fanbase is extremely divisive, and don't see eye to eye on any part of his career.

Other than that

This thread is just gonna eventually take everything I said out of context into some overemotional fukk nikka orgy, so I'm gonna go see if there's any other good threads. nikkas just mostly bullshytting in here anyways, typical.

 

[Pressure]

i feel like he put out too many albums that tarnished his legacy it's like jordan with the wizards or kobe in his latter part of his career

Jordan was still good for the wizards...

 

[Tom Foolery]

Because he is. He's consistently been a Top act going on almost 20 years now. He's still relevant and people still love his features. That's like asking how is Tom Brady a top 5 QB. He's delivered on every metric.

This goes back to what I said before, depends what grading system you are using. You said he delivers on every metric, but if you uses these same grading scales, you will find unfavorable rappers that are on par with him.

This gets so deep I don't even want to start.

 

[100Percent]

No shyt. But if someone said Jordan isn't top five that's their opinion. They're entitled to it but who the fukk are y'all to take away my opinion that they don't know shyt about sports It wouldn't make me mad that's their right but you can't force me to take them seriously

Rap and ball is different. In basketball there are (advanced) stats, awards, trophys, film. It can be backed by statistics that Magic Johnson is a better player than Smush Parker. As opposed to music where you can ask someone if Young Thug is better than Jay z... you'll get a different answer depending on who you talk to. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

Rap and ball is different. In basketball there are (advanced) stats, awards, trophys, film. It can be backed by statistics that Magic Johnson is a better player than Smush Parker. As opposed to music where you can ask someone if Young Thug is better than Jay z... you'll get a different answer depending on who you talk to. Different strokes for different folks.

If the players are close enough in talent you can cherry pick stats. It happens all the time in the coliseum.

 

[Pressure]

This goes back to what I said before, depends what grading system you are using. You said he delivers on every metric, but if you uses these same grading scales, you will find unfavorable rappers that are on par with him.

This gets so deep I don't even want to start.

That is fair. This is why I think people should say how they ranked them and what metrics they use. It would certainly knock 10 pages off this thread.