Jay-z shouldn't be considered top 10 DOA anymore
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jay-z is not a lock for top 10. i have him in going anywhere from 5-8 tho.
and i'd hate to see the OP's list.
lol @ eminem.
jeezy was huge before jay's cosign.
jay just attached himself to hot artists and/or made money off of em. nothing was done from the good of his heart.
and i'd hate to see the OP's list.
lol @ eminem.
jeezy was huge before jay's cosign.
jay just attached himself to hot artists and/or made money off of em. nothing was done from the good of his heart.
MooseMouthMthafuga
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I agree that he lacks substance, but he's incredibly crafty at formulating his shallow/narcissistic subject matter.And since we live in a capitalistic society, his rags to riches story is inspiring to a lot of people.His global appeal came after the money & marketing.Attaching himself to Beyonce was a brilliant business move(and vice versa) on that end, also.
He's the best of the worst.The greatest rapper during the weakest period in hip hop history.He couldn't break through in his own class.His peers are Pac, Big, Ice Cube, Scarface etc etc.....Pac & Big got knocked...Cube got more involved with film...Snoop became a Don Juan the pimp caricature after Pac & Big's death scared the soul out of him.
It's like the sea parted for Jay.He's like a 4 year senior who outmuscled the younger/weaker incoming class.
He's the best of the worst.The greatest rapper during the weakest period in hip hop history.He couldn't break through in his own class.His peers are Pac, Big, Ice Cube, Scarface etc etc.....Pac & Big got knocked...Cube got more involved with film...Snoop became a Don Juan the pimp caricature after Pac & Big's death scared the soul out of him.
It's like the sea parted for Jay.He's like a 4 year senior who outmuscled the younger/weaker incoming class.
man jay-z has to be the most underrated overrated rapper ever.
or should i say most overrated underrated rapper?
jay's 1st album dropped right before pac & big died.
and right before snoop dropped the doggfather.
cube & face were past their primes already.
man...how in the hell can this still be a topic? if we talking currently, fair enough. If we talking all-time
If you hate Jay with all your passion, you cant front on his career. Kareem last few years in the league, dude averaged 17ppg, 14ppg, 10ppg...is he no longer the goat center because of what he did at ages 39-41?...Hov no less than top 5 based of 96-03 alone. Multiple classic albums, songs, verses... Its in stone. Let it go.
If you hate Jay with all your passion, you cant front on his career. Kareem last few years in the league, dude averaged 17ppg, 14ppg, 10ppg...is he no longer the goat center because of what he did at ages 39-41?...Hov no less than top 5 based of 96-03 alone. Multiple classic albums, songs, verses... Its in stone. Let it go.
MooseMouthMthafuga
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man jay-z has to be the most underrated overrated rapper ever.
or should i say most overrated underrated rapper?
jay's 1st album dropped right before pac & big died.
and right before snoop dropped the doggfather.
cube & face were past their primes already.
He was around during that time.He's older than Pac & Big.
His first album got lost in the shuffle.He wasn't able to break through until hip hop was going through a despression phase after Pac & Big died.
Puff & Mase was running the game on some clown shyt....when DMX & Jay grabbed the spotlight in '98, the people was starving.You throw a starving man a cracker, it'll be the best cracker he ever ate.
That was the year Jay grabbed the bull by the horns.The game was dry, barren, and damn near deserted at that point.To me, '98 was when the "reset" button got pushed on hip hop.The game changed up and all the momentum carried us to where we are now.This is Jay's rulership.He's the father of a lot of these new nikkaz.The watered down version of a nikka who was already kind of shallow to begin with(when compared to his peer class...Pac, Cube..etc etc)
Clever wordplay, but the spirituality and soul is gone...Lil Wayne..Drake etc...Them Jay's offspring
RugbyCardigan
Pro
The bulk of Jay's best work was early in his career and B-sides 
He had a handful of emotional songs for overall variety, but he had a ton of clever lines and really peaked when most of the 90's greats were on their way out. Timing more than anything.
He had a handful of emotional songs for overall variety, but he had a ton of clever lines and really peaked when most of the 90's greats were on their way out. Timing more than anything.
Ineedmoney504
SOHH ICEY...WE EATIN
Nothing is done by any of these dudes out the goodness of they heart, shyt is a business now, and the main focus if u running a label is to be profitable, and then make great music, why sign somebody to lose money on
yall are proving the OP's point for him you're not discussing any of his music because it sucks dikk and has no meaning - go on talking about his money and longevity though to hide that
it's you idiots that need to prove to us WHY he ISN"T the GOAT
if you actually followed Hov's career from RD til now, you'll KNOW why he's top 10, unless you're lame ass hater like the OP.
FreddyCalhoun
All Star
dat avi though
your idol permanently lost because he ended up signing to a label and working for the man who left condoms on the baby seat
Them Condom Matter Breh...
At the 2005 MTV VMAs Young Jeezy played sidekick to Jay Z, they arrived in the same limo and Jeezy sat quietly next to Jay as Kurt Loder interviewed Jay and called Jeezy "Lil Jeezy" which Jay had to correct for him. I don't have any video to show but plenty of people have referenced the incident since if you care to google it. Never have I seen a more blatant attempt to cosign a relative unknown on national television.
but you were saying that jay was looking out for dudes in the previous post.
that was what i was responding to.
yea hes older and was around before them, but he didnt drop an LP until '96. and his 1st album did not get lost in any shuffle. it just wasnt too much of a mainstream affair. hell, without that first album, he might not be in my top 10.
and there was no depressrion phase after pac & big died. i know it sounds crazy in hindsight but alot of people werent fans of neither one of them when they were alive. alot of people were too busy reppin other movements. it was so much going on at the time. sure they were the two most popular rappers AT THE TIME of their deaths, but this idea that they were carrying hip-hop on their backs is revisionist. nobody was starving except maybe people who lived hip-hop vicariously thru the radio. the game wasnt dry at all.
the most you can say is that '98 was a changing of the guard year, but the same could be said about '94. the east coast rap scene was just as wide-open when nas & biggie blew up(actually more wide-open for solo artists) than it was when dmx & jay-z took control. but nobody wants to acknowledge that tho.
and you diss puff & mase, but big's last album was on the same tip. he wouldve been right along with them in '97. hell he was apart of half of the stuff that was "polluting" the air-waves that year. jay was gonna get a seat at the top regardless. im just not a fan of all the bullchit he pulled in order to stay there.
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