Jay-z shouldn't be considered top 10 DOA anymore

[Wacky D]

At the 2005 MTV VMAs Young Jeezy played sidekick to Jay Z, they arrived in the same limo and Jeezy sat quietly next to Jay as Kurt Loder interviewed Jay and called Jeezy "Lil Jeezy" which Jay had to correct for him. I don't have any video to show but plenty of people have referenced the incident since if you care to google it. Never have I seen a more blatant attempt to cosign a relative unknown on national television.

so youre saying that because a middle-aged white man screwed young jeezy's name up, that means that he was a nobody in hip-hop?

yea, nevermind the fact that "trap or die" & TM101 had hip-hop in a stranglehold and jeezy's movement was in full swing........the last movement that we had in hip-hop, btw.

 

[aboss4real24]

Cant Leave RAP ALONE The game needs me

Haters want me clapped in Chrome it aint Easy

 

[TheBEASTCOASTrevival]

top 10 definitely coming from a naS stan

 

[Ineedmoney504]

but you were saying that jay was looking out for dudes in the previous post.

that was what i was responding to.





yea hes older and was around before them, but he didnt drop an LP until '96. and his 1st album did not get lost in any shuffle. it just wasnt too much of a mainstream affair. hell, without that first album, he might not be in my top 10.

and there was no depressrion phase after pac & big died. i know it sounds crazy in hindsight but alot of people werent fans of neither one of them when they were alive. alot of people were too busy reppin other movements. it was so much going on at the time. sure they were the two most popular rappers AT THE TIME of their deaths, but this idea that they were carrying hip-hop on their backs is revisionist. nobody was starving except maybe people who lived hip-hop vicariously thru the radio. the game wasnt dry at all.

the most you can say is that '98 was a changing of the guard year, but the same could be said about '94. the east coast rap scene was just as wide-open when nas & biggie blew up(actually more wide-open for solo artists) than it was when dmx & jay-z took control. but nobody wants to acknowledge that tho.

and you diss puff & mase, but big's last album was on the same tip. he wouldve been right along with them in '97. hell he was apart of half of the stuff that was "polluting" the air-waves that year. jay was gonna get a seat at the top regardless. im just not a fan of all the bullchit he pulled in order to stay there.

na I'm saying his cosign help them as much or more than it helped him

 

[Wacky D]

na I'm saying his cosign help them as much or more than it helped him

outside of j.cole, i dont see it.

all those people you named were already doing their thing before jay attached himself.

 

[grock2727]

so youre saying that because a middle-aged white man screwed young jeezy's name up, that means that he was a nobody in hip-hop?

yea, nevermind the fact that "trap or die" & TM101 had hip-hop in a stranglehold and jeezy's movement was in full swing........the last movement that we had in hip-hop, btw.

No, I'm saying that if Jeezy was "huge" as you stated in your post, the middle-aged white man would have absolutely known his name. I don't want to get hung up on who should know who, but if you saw it you would definitely know what I'm talking about. Jeezy was such a "little homie" to Jay on that night from the limo to the interview, it was the epitome of riding coat tails. If someone can find the video you would agree.

 

[No Homo]

No, I'm saying that if Jeezy was "huge" as you stated in your post, the middle-aged white man would have absolutely known his name. I don't want to get hung up on who should know who, but if you saw it you would definitely know what I'm talking about. Jeezy was such a "little homie" to Jay on that night from the limo to the interview, it was the epitome of riding coat tails. If someone can find the video you would agree.

those awards were in the fall and jeezy already owned that summer, his album been out. Jeezy was not and did not need to ride no jay z coat tails. If this wouldve happened before he blew up then yeah but na man

 

[Wacky D]

No, I'm saying that if Jeezy was "huge" as you stated in your post, the middle-aged white man would have absolutely known his name. I don't want to get hung up on who should know who, but if you saw it you would definitely know what I'm talking about. Jeezy was such a "little homie" to Jay on that night from the limo to the interview, it was the epitome of riding coat tails. If someone can find the video you would agree.

jeezy was only out for a few months by that point. unless youre some uber crossover sensation, them old white folks arent gonna know you that early. and i bet kurt loder forgot all about dude 15 minutes later.

yall really up here putting stock into this?

hip-hop lost man.

those awards were in the fall and jeezy already owned that summer, his album been out. Jeezy was not and did not need to ride no jay z coat tails. If this wouldve happened before he blew up then yeah but na man

i know right.

if anything, jay was the one that scored points by being with jeezy. not the other way around.

 

[grock2727]

those awards were in the fall and jeezy already owned that summer, his album been out. Jeezy was not and did not need to ride no jay z coat tails. If this wouldve happened before he blew up then yeah but na man

jeezy was only out for a few months by that point. unless youre some uber crossover sensation, them old white folks arent gonna know you that early. and i bet kurt loder forgot all about dude 15 minutes later.

yall really up here putting stock into this?

hip-hop lost man.



i know right.

if anything, jay was the one that scored points by being with jeezy. not the other way around.

My point exactly, Jeezy was not a crossover sensation, he needed that Jay push. And it was late August about a month after 101 dropped, not the Fall. I can't be the only one that remembers this! One day the video will surface, and I'll up this thread.

 

[Wacky D]

My point exactly, Jeezy was not a crossover sensation, he needed that Jay push. And it was late August about a month after 101 dropped, not the Fall. I can't be the only one that remembers this! One day the video will surface, and I'll up this thread.

he didnt need any jay-z push. lol. jeezy was on pace to do what he did regardless.

what is a jay-z push anyway? why couldnt that push get his own rocafella artists to crossover like jeezy? bleek still one hit away.