Jay-Z signs so many artists and does nothing with them

[christinasade]

@Harry B I really try to stay cool with cats on this board but dawg you been commenting waaaaaaaay too much on things I say. First... WHO THE FUKK ARE YOU???

Fam... you honestly need to SHUT THE FUKK UP. I work in THIS BUSINESS. I deal with Roc Nation, Def Jam, Good Music, Universal, Warner, Sony & Rondor on a MONTHLY basis. I know how this shyt works I've been getting paid from it for a long time breh.

All those artists you named have their own teams and the only thing Roc Nation (Good Music/Grand Hustle, etc) does is cut checks and make phone calls like the rest of these "labels" run by nikkas do. It's all about your TEAM. Jay Coles "team" is better organized & put together then Bridget Kelly's "team" which is why he's seeing success & she's not when Jay-Z has given her chance after chance after chance after chance with HUGE budget advances & she's gotten nowhere. Why? Her TEAM. Jay Cole was completely ignored at Roc Nation & now look him... his TEAM is strong.

You are so blinded its fukking ridiculous. The Entertainment Industry is unique because you get paid strictly off YOUR RELATIONSHIPS. You think its a coincidence that Iggy has been signed to Grand Hustle for years yet only blew up AFTER SHE STARTED DATING NICK YOUNG?

Grand Hustle didn't know what the fukk to do with her & ran out of money trying to help her. T.I.'s money is separate from Grand Hustle its a business tactic. Nick Young scooped up Iggy & started paying for all her shyt with her own TEAM. Now she's huge & a lot of female & male artists try to hook up with the opposite sex so they can spend THEIR money since these labels have gotten tight with spending.

Big Sean, Kanye, Iggy, Lil Kim (was broke before Scott Storch started dating her cuz she was in debt), Keri Hilson, etc... they all link up with people with money over or equal to them so they can pool their own resources & finances together to fund projects for eachother.

For example... Iggy's budget on Grand Hustle was $50,000 when she initially signed. GH is not a big company & a $50,000 advance from a boutique label like it is pretty standard & more then fair because they shop you to bigger labels. Unfortunately over the years she wasted that money on mixtapes & videos etc tryna blow up & nobody cared. Then all of a sudden she starts dating Nick Young & magically she's able to fund big budget videos & snatch up DJ Mustard records & pay for her own engineering, etc... cuz of Nick Young. A lot of artists/celebrities/actors/etc date eachother because they can always pool their resources together.

But anyway, nah... FUKK YOU and you're ALWAYS trying to talk about some shyt you know NOTHING ABOUT. I said in 2014 I wouldn't use the ignore feature but Congrats you bytchass nikka you are about to be the Alpha & Omega of that shyt. This is how I pay my bills, this is my blood sweat & tears... if I need advice on how to work the fry machine I'll DM you but you need to stay in your lane you bytchass nikka...

bruh lol....

sidenote, what else we dont know?

 

[Yecht]

Industry

Summarized your statement for you bruh

 

[Zero]

Every single label signs a ton of people and a lot of them don't pan out.

That's like asking why an NBA team continues to draft players and then cut them. That's how it works. Some people end up making it, most dont.

Nah nah man, Jay is evil

 

[360dagod]

Aftermath has a worse record

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Nah nah man, Jay is evil

True. Didn't you see all the Illuminati references in his last video?

 

[prophecypro]

Oh I see, established international acts like Rihanna, Timbo, Shakira, Kylie Minogue, Calvin Harris, Jeezy , Kanye and on + hipster acts like Grimes, Santogold, HAIM etc or athletes like KD, CC sabathia, Cano etc are just signing various types of deals with "small unorganized businesses" . Roc Nations salary alone is enough to pull top shooters from the major labels, CEOs from major sports teams, marketing people from ad companies.


As far as the "label services" goes, it seems like their last priority. They only signed like 10 people in 7-8 years, more than half of them were indie without any major label backup as far distribution goes etc. As far as the label goes today it's like 8 artists like Jay, J Cole, Jay Elect, Calvin Harris, Riri, Rita Ora, W Smith,
Mustard and like 2 other artists. That's a pretty high percentage of successful artists, a lot higher than any major label.

But that's my point, they got established acts and in some cases a few of have regressed (Kylie, Santigold, Grimes) but overall the ones there and were successful were established and kind of had a monentum going anyway from their major labels (Kanye, Jeezy, Rhianna, Calvin Harris, HAIM). So you kinda sit there and ask would signing to Roc Nation have really made a difference. Most go with the idea that siging with Roc Nation they are going to be working with managers, marketers whom Jay recruited from other labels and were established tastemakers in the biz, but they find most still work a lot of with there old team

 

[Sugar]

@Harry B I really try to stay cool with cats on this board but dawg you been commenting waaaaaaaay too much on things I say. First... WHO THE FUKK ARE YOU???

Fam... you honestly need to SHUT THE FUKK UP. I work in THIS BUSINESS. I deal with Roc Nation, Def Jam, Good Music, Universal, Warner, Sony & Rondor on a MONTHLY basis. I know how this shyt works I've been getting paid from it for a long time breh.

All those artists you named have their own teams and the only thing Roc Nation (Good Music/Grand Hustle, etc) does is cut checks and make phone calls like the rest of these "labels" run by nikkas do. It's all about your TEAM. Jay Coles "team" is better organized & put together then Bridget Kelly's "team" which is why he's seeing success & she's not when Jay-Z has given her chance after chance after chance after chance with HUGE budget advances & she's gotten nowhere. Why? Her TEAM. Jay Cole was completely ignored at Roc Nation & now look him... his TEAM is strong.

You are so blinded its fukking ridiculous. The Entertainment Industry is unique because you get paid strictly off YOUR RELATIONSHIPS. You think its a coincidence that Iggy has been signed to Grand Hustle for years yet only blew up AFTER SHE STARTED DATING NICK YOUNG?

Grand Hustle didn't know what the fukk to do with her & ran out of money trying to help her. T.I.'s money is separate from Grand Hustle its a business tactic. Nick Young scooped up Iggy & started paying for all her shyt with her own TEAM. Now she's huge & a lot of female & male artists try to hook up with the opposite sex so they can spend THEIR money since these labels have gotten tight with spending.

Big Sean, Kanye, Iggy, Lil Kim (was broke before Scott Storch started dating her cuz she was in debt), Keri Hilson, etc... they all link up with people with money over or equal to them so they can pool their own resources & finances together to fund projects for eachother.

For example... Iggy's budget on Grand Hustle was $50,000 when she initially signed. GH is not a big company & a $50,000 advance from a boutique label like it is pretty standard & more then fair because they shop you to bigger labels. Unfortunately over the years she wasted that money on mixtapes & videos etc tryna blow up & nobody cared. Then all of a sudden she starts dating Nick Young & magically she's able to fund big budget videos & snatch up DJ Mustard records & pay for her own engineering, etc... cuz of Nick Young. A lot of artists/celebrities/actors/etc date eachother because they can always pool their resources together.

But anyway, nah... FUKK YOU and you're ALWAYS trying to talk about some shyt you know NOTHING ABOUT. I said in 2014 I wouldn't use the ignore feature but Congrats you bytchass nikka you are about to be the Alpha & Omega of that shyt. This is how I pay my bills, this is my blood sweat & tears... if I need advice on how to work the fry machine I'll DM you but you need to stay in your lane you bytchass nikka...

I love seeing that fakkit get shytted on

I threw that stanly on ignore months ago and havent looked back since. But its always good knowing that he's still getting sonned

 

[Harry B]

@Harry B I really try to stay cool with cats on this board but dawg you been commenting waaaaaaaay too much on things I say. First... WHO THE FUKK ARE YOU???

Fam... you honestly need to SHUT THE FUKK UP. I work in THIS BUSINESS. I deal with Roc Nation, Def Jam, Good Music, Universal, Warner, Sony & Rondor on a MONTHLY basis. I know how this shyt works I've been getting paid from it for a long time breh.

All those artists you named have their own teams and the only thing Roc Nation (Good Music/Grand Hustle, etc) does is cut checks and make phone calls like the rest of these "labels" run by nikkas do. It's all about your TEAM. Jay Coles "team" is better organized & put together then Bridget Kelly's "team" which is why he's seeing success & she's not when Jay-Z has given her chance after chance after chance after chance with HUGE budget advances & she's gotten nowhere. Why? Her TEAM. Jay Cole was completely ignored at Roc Nation & now look him... his TEAM is strong.

You are so blinded its fukking ridiculous. The Entertainment Industry is unique because you get paid strictly off YOUR RELATIONSHIPS. You think its a coincidence that Iggy has been signed to Grand Hustle for years yet only blew up AFTER SHE STARTED DATING NICK YOUNG?

Grand Hustle didn't know what the fukk to do with her & ran out of money trying to help her. T.I.'s money is separate from Grand Hustle its a business tactic. Nick Young scooped up Iggy & started paying for all her shyt with her own TEAM. Now she's huge & a lot of female & male artists try to hook up with the opposite sex so they can spend THEIR money since these labels have gotten tight with spending.

Big Sean, Kanye, Iggy, Lil Kim (was broke before Scott Storch started dating her cuz she was in debt), Keri Hilson, etc... they all link up with people with money over or equal to them so they can pool their own resources & finances together to fund projects for eachother.

For example... Iggy's budget on Grand Hustle was $50,000 when she initially signed. GH is not a big company & a $50,000 advance from a boutique label like it is pretty standard & more then fair because they shop you to bigger labels. Unfortunately over the years she wasted that money on mixtapes & videos etc tryna blow up & nobody cared. Then all of a sudden she starts dating Nick Young & magically she's able to fund big budget videos & snatch up DJ Mustard records & pay for her own engineering, etc... cuz of Nick Young. A lot of artists/celebrities/actors/etc date eachother because they can always pool their resources together.

But anyway, nah... FUKK YOU and you're ALWAYS trying to talk about some shyt you know NOTHING ABOUT. I said in 2014 I wouldn't use the ignore feature but Congrats you bytchass nikka you are about to be the Alpha & Omega of that shyt. This is how I pay my bills, this is my blood sweat & tears... if I need advice on how to work the fry machine I'll DM you but you need to stay in your lane you bytchass nikka...

1. I respond to whoever, I can't recall that I've ever seen you post.
However, I don't work in the businesses but I know people who do and I did my first internship at a certain major label.

2. From what I can tell you are doing nothing but talking shyt, NO ONE has talked about Iggy Azelea or Grand Hustle, this thread is about Roc Nation.

3. You act like you work in the business, yet you can't understand simple concepts as timing, hard work and on. Dude is really in here acting like he's got deeper knowledge about the quality of companies than large corp CEOs, the deepest A&Rs, managers and on

4. Iggy has been grinding since 2011, putting out tapes, EPs, videos, singles and on all independently. She later signed a major label deal with Def Jam (got a budget) which is owned by Universal, she's managed by the same people as Rita Ora, there is your connection to Mustard. They are on the same label, her management company is already in business with Roc Nation and she had a major label budget. She kept on releasing singles for a year and got a big one with Charli XCX. Lol @ Nick Young, there's motherfukkers with direct lines to Jay-z, Dr. Dre, Eminem and on and they're not doing shyt. People invested in her to get a nice return on their bucks, not because of some fukking average basketball player. Contacts is always good, in any business, the fact that you even mention it as if it was something special speaks loud about how embarrassingly stupid you are.

5. Every single artist grinds until they blow, do you think this is a overnight type of business


I'll remember your name though, I usually don't respond to trolls.

 

[Harry B]

But that's my point, they got established acts and in some cases a few of have regressed (Kylie, Santigold, Grimes) but overall the ones there and were successful were established and kind of had a monentum going anyway from their major labels (Kanye, Jeezy, Rhianna, Calvin Harris, HAIM). So you kinda sit there and ask would signing to Roc Nation have really made a difference. Most go with the idea that siging with Roc Nation they are going to be working with managers, marketers whom Jay recruited from other labels and were established tastemakers in the biz, but they find most still work a lot of with there old team

They do different things though, Roc Nation is not your average label.
Some artists are only signed for Merchandising/touring others for music publishing, some artist have record deals, some sign business management partnerships, others career management etc. And I'd not say that Rihanna or Calvin Harris are losing momentum, Rihanna has been with Roc Nation mgmt since the start and Calvin Harris has been there for a long time as well. His career has been peaking since he made that song with Rihanna, I think it was Found love or something like that.

The artist they have created from scratch is J. Cole and Rita Ora, then they have people they signed in bidding wars like Electronica, they also manage producers who strictly release shyt in certain countries in Europe, some artists that are only marketed in the UK and on. I think the plan is to be a company that offers all types of services, they are not specialized in any specific service.

 

[prophecypro]

They do different things though, Roc Nation is not your average label.
Some artists are only signed for Merchandising/touring others for music publishing, some artist have record deals, some sign business management partnerships, others career management etc. And I'd not say that Rihanna or Calvin Harris are losing momentum, Rihanna has been with Roc Nation mgmt since the start and Calvin Harris has been there for a long time as well. His career has been peaking since he made that song with Rihanna, I think it was Found love or something like that.

The artist they have created from scratch is J. Cole and Rita Ora, then they have people they signed in bidding wars like Electronica, they also manage producers who strictly release shyt in certain countries in Europe, some artists that are only marketed in the UK and on. I think the plan is to be a company that offers all types of services, they are not specialized in any specific service.

You're right, its not your average label. That's also part of the problem. Internally its still trying to define itself . I didnt say Calvin or Rhianna are losing momentuem, I would put them in the already well established and went to sign camp of artist. Part of the question with them is why would an artist sign to them for just touring and merch and have an entity take a signifcant percentage when they know that's still a revenue stream they can take the bulk from themselves. If the answer is, well Live Nation gives them more dates, understood but i would even say then you can partner with Live Nation witouth signing to them (See Nas for instance who has a stake in another touring/promoting company but still does his overseas tours). You know essientally its a 360 type deal with not as much of the work and thats where people are trying to figure it out.

Like I said what Cole has done is nothing short of incredible considered he's admitted to having more challenges with the label in terms of content and Rita, while a known name is someone who often gets hated in pop circles for being someone trying to be pushed but not having that artist transformation to justify it (But thats a whole nother story).

Hell I would say the recent issue with Calvin Harris blocking Rita to perform at an award show only adds to the idea they dont really have a grasp on what the artsts can or cant do under their watch.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

Every single label signs a ton of people and a lot of them don't pan out.

That's like asking why an NBA team continues to draft players and then cut them. That's how it works. Some people end up making it, most dont.

THIS.

Everybody is different.

 

[Da King]

@Harry B I really try to stay cool with cats on this board but dawg you been commenting waaaaaaaay too much on things I say. First... WHO THE FUKK ARE YOU???

Fam... you honestly need to SHUT THE FUKK UP. I work in THIS BUSINESS. I deal with Roc Nation, Def Jam, Good Music, Universal, Warner, Sony & Rondor on a MONTHLY basis. I know how this shyt works I've been getting paid from it for a long time breh.

All those artists you named have their own teams and the only thing Roc Nation (Good Music/Grand Hustle, etc) does is cut checks and make phone calls like the rest of these "labels" run by nikkas do. It's all about your TEAM. Jay Coles "team" is better organized & put together then Bridget Kelly's "team" which is why he's seeing success & she's not when Jay-Z has given her chance after chance after chance after chance with HUGE budget advances & she's gotten nowhere. Why? Her TEAM. Jay Cole was completely ignored at Roc Nation & now look him... his TEAM is strong.

You are so blinded its fukking ridiculous. The Entertainment Industry is unique because you get paid strictly off YOUR RELATIONSHIPS. You think its a coincidence that Iggy has been signed to Grand Hustle for years yet only blew up AFTER SHE STARTED DATING NICK YOUNG?

Grand Hustle didn't know what the fukk to do with her & ran out of money trying to help her. T.I.'s money is separate from Grand Hustle its a business tactic. Nick Young scooped up Iggy & started paying for all her shyt with her own TEAM. Now she's huge & a lot of female & male artists try to hook up with the opposite sex so they can spend THEIR money since these labels have gotten tight with spending.

Big Sean, Kanye, Iggy, Lil Kim (was broke before Scott Storch started dating her cuz she was in debt), Keri Hilson, etc... they all link up with people with money over or equal to them so they can pool their own resources & finances together to fund projects for eachother.

For example... Iggy's budget on Grand Hustle was $50,000 when she initially signed. GH is not a big company & a $50,000 advance from a boutique label like it is pretty standard & more then fair because they shop you to bigger labels. Unfortunately over the years she wasted that money on mixtapes & videos etc tryna blow up & nobody cared. Then all of a sudden she starts dating Nick Young & magically she's able to fund big budget videos & snatch up DJ Mustard records & pay for her own engineering, etc... cuz of Nick Young. A lot of artists/celebrities/actors/etc date eachother because they can always pool their resources together.

But anyway, nah... FUKK YOU and you're ALWAYS trying to talk about some shyt you know NOTHING ABOUT. I said in 2014 I wouldn't use the ignore feature but Congrats you bytchass nikka you are about to be the Alpha & Omega of that shyt. This is how I pay my bills, this is my blood sweat & tears... if I need advice on how to work the fry machine I'll DM you but you need to stay in your lane you bytchass nikka...

:2wow:

 

[Harry B]

You're right, its not your average label. That's also part of the problem. Internally its still trying to define itself . I didnt say Calvin or Rhianna are losing momentuem, I would put them in the already well established and went to sign camp of artist. Part of the question with them is why would an artist sign to them for just touring and merch and have an entity take a signifcant percentage when they know that's still a revenue stream they can take the bulk from themselves. If the answer is, well Live Nation gives them more dates, understood but i would even say then you can partner with Live Nation witouth signing to them (See Nas for instance who has a stake in another touring/promoting company but still does his overseas tours). You know essientally its a 360 type deal with not as much of the work and thats where people are trying to figure it out.

Like I said what Cole has done is nothing short of incredible considered he's admitted to having more challenges with the label in terms of content and Rita, while a known name is someone who often gets hated in pop circles for being someone trying to be pushed but not having that artist transformation to justify it (But thats a whole nother story).

Hell I would say the recent issue with Calvin Harris blocking Rita to perform at an award show only adds to the idea they dont really have a grasp on what the artsts can or cant do under their watch.

I mean Harris and Ora were in a relationship, they might be in many businesses but relationship counseling is obviously not one of them.
I think they sign to Roc Nation because Roc Nation deals with micromanagement, Live Nation is not doing that for you unless you huge as fukk or paying a lot for it.
But mostly cause Live Nation focuses on event promotion. Managing artists, giving them festival shows, merchandising, endorsement deals, radio/tv interviews, private shows etc is what Roc Nation does. Anyways, talent scouting does not seem to be highly prioritized at Roc Nation, Bridget Kelly is in the freezer, Cole was a success and Rita Ora was a success in Europe musically and commercially (designing Adidas lines etc). They signed some new UK broad named Alexa Goddard, if they can't work her they might wanna shake up the talent scouting division. She sounds pretty ass though.

 

[WickedGames]

Every single label signs a ton of people and a lot of them don't pan out.

That's like asking why an NBA team continues to draft players and then cut them. That's how it works. Some people end up making it, most dont.

I don't think you understand how many Jay has actually signed and done absolutely nothing.

Shout out Lady Sovereign

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I don't think you understand how many Jay has actually signed and done absolutely nothing.

Shout out Lady Sovereign

In all fairness to Snake-Z it's not his job to run the careers of his artists...

Your label can only sign you, cut checks & make phone calls. They're not going to do the ground work for you anymore those days are over so now artists are approaching labels with their whole TEAM in place already. Think of a label like a big machine. The big machine used to take care of EVERYTHING related to the artists careers. Nowadays the labels or big machines are basically just signing smaller machines and letting them do ALL the work while they sit back and only provide the oil...

Jay Cole is winning because he surrounded himself with a team of HUSTLERS who are from the bottom so they put in work. Bridget Kelly is a spoiled girl who doesn't want to do anything herself and is surrounded by a bunch of delusional suburban people (her TEAM) who think money is supposed to work by itself. I hate her manager so much... they are truly delusional...

I've actually sat in a meeting at Atlantic with an artist that was still stuck in the 90's way of the industry. He'd been signed to them for 2 years & nobody knows him or cares because he doesn't get out there. I'm like fam you're signed with a budget, you better find your own publicist, pr, video director, engineer, etc because Atlantic is only focused on their A-List Earners, not new artists...

I don't know how familiar y'all are with people of power but this nikka is lazy as fukk and had the audacity to tell fukking KARA DIOGOURDI that he "Demands to have the same type of push" Chris Brown had. When I say that meeting lasted all of 4 sentences I'm telling you these labels don't do shyt...