Jay-Z-"Stop MAKING YOUNG MUSIC!!"

[Solo_87]

You went from

"What trends" to somehow changing the subject to influence smh

You got it.

Huh?

My point is

Bad Bad were influential ...they created trends a lot of artist hopped on

Same with Biggie...the mafioso persona is another example

I don't see how Jay was guilty of it more than any other popular rapper at that time

What other trends or waves he ride?

He "took" a record he thought was hot? or he was trying to ride the wave of a relatively unknown Ja Rule?

 

[Woodrow]

influence
/ˈinflo͝oən(t)s/
Influence is the capacity or power to produce effects on the actions, behavior, or opinions of others, often without direct force. It represents an indirect, yet often significant, impact on someone or something. It can act as a noun (the power itself) or a verb (the act of affecting).
Merriam-Webster +3

Big/Bad boy influenced a lot of rap, what was popular in the 90s

Jay has been getting R&B artist on his hooks since his debut

Before they was Can I Get A there was Ain't No Nikka

stop it.

reasonable doubt sounded like nothing else that came out at that time. and even then, jay stuck up camp lo for the feelin it beat.

next album, he's on some bad boy shyt. to the point the album literally bounces back and forth from street record(s) to pop record(s). same way puff sequenced the latter half of ready to die (from track 6 to about track 13). that goes beyond getting mary j. on a hook. and yeah, a lot of people started leaning into r&b hooks more after ready to die. but that didn't start with bad boy. what bad boy did was put street verses (aka.. it was still lyrical, even when it was for the ladies) on pop hooks with mainstream, accessible instrumentals. you're lying if you listen to vol. 1 and say jay didnt borrow the playbook.

then he went from the sunshine video to hard knock life. rounded up all the dudes who were about to take the game over (ja, X, lox) and put them on streets is watching soundtrack + his album. before that tho... it was jaz-o + sauce money + memph + bad boy. the end. also, you can't compare can i get a to ain't no... irv's point is that jay wasn't fukking with the sound they brought into the building, until they brought it into the building. professionally irv was damn-near with jay from day one. so why didn't he start grabbing shyt from ja until album three?

i can do this all day.

 

[Cladyclad]

stop it.

reasonable doubt sounded like nothing else that came out at that time. and even then, jay stuck up camp lo for the feelin it beat.

next album, he's on some bad boy shyt. to the point the album literally bounces back and forth from street record(s) to pop record(s). same way puff sequenced the latter half of ready to die (from track 6 to about track 13). that goes beyond getting mary j. on a hook. and yeah, a lot of people started leaning into r&b hooks more after ready to die. but that didn't start with bad boy. what bad boy did was put street verses (aka.. it was still lyrical, even when it was for the ladies) on pop hooks with mainstream, accessible instrumentals. you're lying if you listen to vol. 1 and say jay didnt borrow the playbook.

then he went from the sunshine video to hard knock life. rounded up all the dudes who were about to take the game over (ja, X, lox) and put them on streets is watching soundtrack + his album. before that tho... it was jaz-o + sauce money + memph + bad boy. the end. also, you can't compare can i get a to ain't no... irv's point is that jay wasn't fukking with the sound they brought into the building, until they brought it into the building. professionally irv was damn-near with jay from day one. so why didn't he start grabbing shyt from ja until album three?

i can do this all day.

Jay worked with X before either sold one record. He was on the lox debut. He worked with Ja as a favor for irv

Yall make up these scenarios for this guy. Its like Jay the only rapper not allowed to work with other artists

 

[Iverson_64]

I actually agree with Jay z, but he's very fake on this. He's the same guy in his 50s doing songs with younger artists and rhyming over trap beats to fit in with the same young audience he's talking about.

4:44 really did a lot of heavy lifting for Jay's image and I say this as a fan.

He was the poster child for trend hopping, wave riding, chasing hits, and trying to be "cool" before that album.

That whole 2009-2016 era of Jay was the worst era of his career.

 

[Still Benefited]

So is rapping about selling drugs not “young music”? What is young music? Or is this nikka just dikkriding his peers and hating on someone and being too cowardly to say names?

No,theres a young way to rap about selling drugs(Gucci Mane) and a grown way to rap about it(The Clipse). Repetetive content is another issue in itself.

 

[010101]

some artist are mentally still children

undeveloped minds stay the same as they age

.............

*

 

[Rembrandt]

some artist are mentally still children

undeveloped minds stay the same as they age

.............

*

*Most

 

[Solo_87]

stop it.

reasonable doubt sounded like nothing else that came out at that time. and even then, jay stuck up camp lo for the feelin it beat.

next album, he's on some bad boy shyt. to the point the album literally bounces back and forth from street record(s) to pop record(s). same way puff sequenced the latter half of ready to die (from track 6 to about track 13). that goes beyond getting mary j. on a hook. and yeah, a lot of people started leaning into r&b hooks more after ready to die. but that didn't start with bad boy. what bad boy did was put street verses (aka.. it was still lyrical, even when it was for the ladies) on pop hooks with mainstream, accessible instrumentals. you're lying if you listen to vol. 1 and say jay didnt borrow the playbook.

then he went from the sunshine video to hard knock life. rounded up all the dudes who were about to take the game over (ja, X, lox) and put them on his album. before that tho... it was jaz-o + sauce money + memph + bad boy. the end. also, you can't compare can i get a to ain't no... irv's point is that jay wasn't fukking with the sound they brought into the building, until they brought it into the building. professionally irv was damn-near with jay from day one. so why didn't he start grabbing shyt until album three?

i can do this all day.

Disagree about Vol 1. Streets Is Mine has a pop hook?

That said, I never denied he wasn't influenced by Big and the Bad Boy sound like most were to an extent

Jay worked with X before either sold one record. He was on the lox debut. He worked with Ja as a favor for irv

Yall make up these scenarios for this guy. Its like Jay the only rapper not allowed to work with other artists

Thank you

Jay is considered to be the ultimate wave rider but I just don't see it

 

[Smokin Rider]

So is rapping about selling drugs not “young music”? What is young music? Or is this nikka just dikkriding his peers and hating on someone and being too cowardly to say names?

Is he hating on someone? Who could he be talking about, can you inform us on who feels inauthentic to you and is rapping about doing young stuff?

 

[LevelUp]

 

[FlimFlam]

Has aging black men been a marketable commodity in any aspect of American pop culture? Sincere question

The motiff aint established... not nor the funding . Nor the political economy Nor the desire of a commercial white audience

This is more than just personal choices... people mold themselves into all kinds of shyt for funding. From fake tough guys to gay

 

[Apollo Creed]

Has aging black men been a marketable commodity in any aspect of American pop culture? Sincere question

The motiff aint established... not nor the funding . Nor the political economy Nor the desire of a commercial white audience

This is more than just personal choices... people mold themselves into all kinds of shyt for funding. From fake tough guys to gay

The thing is Black men have always pioneered lanes and been the faces of counter culture due to society rejecting us.

When Rap became formal corporste machine you saw little by little each year black men going from artist to being purely the product designed by someone else.

So its like even if a rapper is playing a character he was at least playing an entity he created that played a part in the story he was crafting

 

[FlimFlam]

The thing is Black men have always pioneered lanes and been the faces of counter culture due to society rejecting us.

When Rap became formal corporste machine you saw little by little each year black men going from artist to being purely the product designed by someone else.

So its like even if a rapper is playing a character he was at least playing an entity he created that played a part in the story he was crafting

Thank you for the response

Would you mind answering my opening question?

I don't believe we have the amount of agency we've been encouraged to believe we have in steering this commercial shyt show though...

from the modern algorithm chasing... to everyone putting down mics and picking up podcasting... all the way back to djs graffiti artists and dancers being removed from hip hop. NONE of these were decisions made by "the culture" but people adjusting to what white capital is willing to fund and let live

Society is managed like this at large in alot of ways.

None of these playformed yokels can have this level of discourse as it'll piss off their white benefactors. So much for everyone being a boss smh

 

[Apollo Creed]

Thank you for the response

Would you mind answering my opening question?

I don't believe we have the amount of agency we've been encouraged to believe we have in steering this commercial shyt show though...

from the modern algorithm chasing... to everyone putting down mics and picking up podcasting... all the way back to djs graffiti artists and dancers being removed from hip hop. NONE of these were decisions made by "the culture" but people adjusting to what white capital is willing to fund and let live

Society is managed like this at large in alot of ways.

None of these playformed yokels can have this level of discourse as it'll piss off their white benefactors. So much for everyone being a boss smh

We are at the late stage capitalism. The issue/debate is Hip Hop is a CULTURE and should CULTURE become a Capitalitic Commodity? And if it does should people NOT OF THE CULTURE dictate it?

Was a small minority of people making it out of poverty worth selling of a culture and its impact on humans positive and or negative?

 

[FlimFlam]

We are at the late stage capitalism. The issue/debate is Hip Hop is a CULTURE and should CULTURE become a Capitalitic Commodity? And if it does should people NOT OF THE CULTURE dictate it?

Was a small minority of people making it out of poverty worth selling of a culture and its impact on humans positive and or negative?

This is a question that extends well beyond hip hop. Theres nothing more cultural than land. Consider how white power has degraded everyone's relationship with land and even the damn land itself

Sounds sensible enough that the people should dictate this relationship but no group of people have that kind of relationship to capital... hell that'll contradict the concept of capitalism

Aint no correct way of getting in bed with this beast.