Jaylen Brown: It's Unconstitutional for Donald Trump to Tell Players to Stand for the Anthem

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Trump is the POTUS and is a govt actor. Him telling/dictating players to stand for the national anthem is unconstitutional because government actors can't dictate/force players to stand for the anthem in violation of their First Amendment rights. The Constitution protects citizens against government interference.

So he is correct.
What powers does the US President have?
What power does he have to force anyone to kneel for the anthem? I'll give you a hint. None. He has no power or authority to do so.
Trump as president has the right to speak his opinion, right or wrong, he has the right to go on campaign and say he would fire them and he has the right to say peopel should boycott ______.
He isn't using his actual presidential power and authority to do anything illegal though, in this situation.

So no he actually isn't correct, he is factually wrong, and so are you.

I say this supporting what Brown is trying to do and argue for, but he is just factually wrong.
 

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What powers does the US President have?
What power does he have to force anyone to kneel for the anthem? I'll give you a hint. None. He has no power or authority to do so.
Trump as president has the right to speak his opinion, right or wrong, he has the right to go on campaign and say he would fire them and he has the right to say peopel should boycott ______.
He isn't using his actual presidential power and authority to do anything illegal though, in this situation.

So no he actually isn't correct, he is factually wrong, and so are you.

I say this supporting what Brown is trying to do and argue for, but he is just factually wrong.

The POTUS is the Commander in Chief and head of the Executive branch. He is a government actor telling people to stand for an anthem in violation of their 1st Amendment right to do so.

What he said on the campaign, etc. is irrelevant because he wasn't a govt actor...he was a private citizen. And his statement definitely flirts with being unconstitutional as he's encouraging private actors (the leaue owners) to fire/cut players for refusing to stand for the anthem. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

But have at it breh...
 

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Trump is the POTUS and is a govt actor. Him telling/dictating players to stand for the national anthem is unconstitutional because government actors can't dictate/force players to stand for the anthem in violation of their First Amendment rights. The Constitution protects citizens against government interference.

So he is correct.
While Trump is completely in the wrong on this issue, I don't think I would have used "unconstitutional" in this instance.

The freedom of speech allows Trump to say he thinks players should stand and it also allows players to tell Trump to shut up and remain seated.
 

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Trump is the POTUS and is a govt actor. Him telling/dictating players to stand for the national anthem is unconstitutional because government actors can't dictate/force players to stand for the anthem in violation of their First Amendment rights. The Constitution protects citizens against government interference.

So he is correct.
Not just that, but it's a crime format member of the government to try to influence a private sector job to fire someone for their political stance. He broke the law when he started tweeting about how the players need to be fired for not standing.
 

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The POTUS is the Commander in Chief and head of the Executive branch. He is a government actor telling people to stand for an anthem in violation of their 1st Amendment right to do so.

What he said on the campaign, etc. is irrelevant because he wasn't a govt actor...he was a private citizen. And his statement definitely flirts with being unconstitutional as he's encouraging private actors (the leaue owners) to fire/cut players for refusing to stand for the anthem. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

But have at it breh...
Commander in chief has nothing to do with this situation, since it isn't military related.
Executive branch has nothing to do with this because its private business, not a branch of the government, nor pertaining to executive regulation of an industry.
He is the president of the US, he is a US citizen, he has the same right as a US citizen to express his opinion.

You need a refresher in what the 1st amendment is. I'll give it to you.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]
What government action is being taken against the people who are protesting, with regards to criminalizing their actions or speech? None. So we aren't talking about a 1st amendment issue.

He literally said they should be fired at a campaign rally for Luther strange in Huntsville, AL as sitting US President. What are you talking about?

There is no flirting with unconstitutionality at all. The only way you might make the claim he was acting illegally, is if he used his government power and authority to force something. He hasn't done that, just used his words.

This is what I'm talking about though, I don't know you or Brown, but there are legit areas where you can talk about legality and unconstitutionality and have a point, this isn't the case and it clearly isn't. So to see people try to argue it is, it shows you really don't have a grasp of the constitution when you use it to try to attack Trump for saying what he has said. This is why I stress the importance of understanding what you are saying and the concepts/principles you want to argue when going public, because if you aren't on it they will eat your ass alive and you'll be out here confused because you didn't put in the work.

The best thing you or Brown could say is you find his statements backwards and counter to progress. You can support those arguments, you can't support claiming what he is doing is unconstitutional because it isn't.
 

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For those who still don't believe that Trump's comments were dangerously close to being/were unconstitutional...

5 CFR 2635.702 - Use of public office for private gain.

You posted a statue, you haven't posted where Trump gets financial gain directly or indirectly in saying boycott the NFL players and broadcasts if players are allowed to kneel during the anthem.
YOu have to act and move on more than just feeling breh, i feel where you are coming from, you you got to put the time in.
 

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which is fukkin pathetic.

Myron Rolle didn't even get a real shot. But he winning right now anyway
I thought Rolle simply wasn't good enough to play, but you are right he is definitely winning in life more than a lot of those NFL players.
 
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