JayZ's Oceans preview video from the Samsung Magna Carta app.

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hexagram23 said:
The sea/see sick line wasn't bad at all.

However :snoop: at Jay talking about "yeah, you know, this song is about how your past follows you, like I walk into a room and people say 'oh it's that guy from the projects who sold drugs".

Who the fukk, besides Jay, is still talking about this guy selling drugs 30 years ago? shyt is :mindblown: that he still feels like he has to constantly remind everyone that he used to be a drug dealer.

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I guess you've never watched FOX News, any "non-urban" talk show featuring Jay-z or maybe he's talking about senior acquaintances at Obama fundraisers, Russian billionaires etc gossiping about it behind his back.

Jay talks about his upbringing whatever it is, as a major positive change in his life (and now and then might brag or joke about it), certain people see it as a negative thing.
If you spent like 15 years of your life doing something, the main thing that formed your thoughts and on.. Would you just exclude it from your music? :what:

That's how I understood it.


It's like people don't even try to understand media anymore, they just watch and draw the quickest possible conclusion.
 
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SunZoo said:
To be fair though it's not something he, nor white america can exactly forget. Not to be on that nikkas dikk like that but he wasn't just a small time corner boy, he may not have been a kingpin but he was a "star" before he picked up a mic, and not from being a rapper. Some of the stories that nikkas either tell or vouch for put you in the shoes of somebody that was really doing it, that shyt is etched into his mind underneath all of this corporate business acumen that he flaunts, it's actually what drives his moves NOW.

And on the flip, white folks will never forget, they may not care because he has wealth and status but at the end of the day he got where he's at by being a cowboy...whether it was on the streets or within music, he didn't inherit this, he's still "new rich" to a lot of people he rubs elbows with outside of hip hop, so it's definitely in the back of their minds as well.

Saying he can't relate to the "hood" just because he's so far removed is really glossing over the fact that it's at his foundation, it's the driving force behind his thought process, he ain't escaping that shyt, doesn't mean he HAS to springboard off of that with everything...but the fact that he kind of does, even indirectly just shows you how deeply ingrained it is. Watching the making of RD kinda made me appreciate that album on a whole different level.

I'd rather him still be struggling with the "harsh dualities" of "i'm still that guy, i'm not supposed to be here" than trying to hustle me coasting ala "run this town" (i been playing 2k, I fukking hate that song now, aughh)...the only other option is for him to be more deep, and people will complain and say it sounds forced....there is nothing forced about jay's past as a drug dealer juxtaposed with his celebrity, it may come off as shallow on the surface but that's really what is at the foundation of his being, and it's why he does his best work when he's able to explore it rather than trying to be a universal rap star.

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This is a beautiful piece of camel-stanning right here, I could feel desert sands between my hooves as the words left my fingers

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Todd McPiff said:
the anti camel brigade is nervous as fukk


whenever there's a thread about magna carta they be coming through like

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:pachaha: Notice how it's always the "ima Jay Z fan but......." fakkits leading the way.
 
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Harry B said:
I guess you've never watched FOX News, any "non-urban" talk show featuring Jay-z or maybe he's talking about senior acquaintances at Obama fundraisers, Russian billionaires etc gossiping about it behind his back.

Jay talks about his upbringing whatever it is, as a major positive change in his life (and now and then might brag or joke about it), certain people see it as a negative thing.
If you spent like 15 years of your life doing something, the main thing that formed your thoughts and on.. Would you just exclude it from your music? :what:

That's how I understood it.

It's like people don't even try to understand media anymore, they just watch and draw the quickest possible conclusion.
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So Jay's been rapping about selling drugs the last 20+ years because Russian billionaires gossip. Oh ok.

Why would I watch Fox News? :heh:

Stop grasping at straws man. There is no reason for a 43 year old multi-millionaire to be talking about some shyt he did 25 years ago, that literally nobody gives a fukk about any more.

If it wasn't Jay, who you're a fan of, and it was some random old head constantly talking about "back in my day I..." you'd tune that shyt out quick fast, because nobody cares. Just becaue Jay raps that don't give him a pass to get on his Al Bundy shyt.

I mean, if you have to resort to :ld: "well, Fox News is still talking about it" that should be a big ass clue that you have no legs to stand on.

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SunZoo said:
To be fair though it's not something he, nor white america can exactly forget. Not to be on that nikkas dikk like that but he wasn't just a small time corner boy, he may not have been a kingpin but he was a "star" before he picked up a mic, and not from being a rapper. Some of the stories that nikkas either tell or vouch for put you in the shoes of somebody that was really doing it, that shyt is etched into his mind underneath all of this corporate business acumen that he flaunts, it's actually what drives his moves NOW.

And on the flip, white folks will never forget, they may not care because he has wealth and status but at the end of the day he got where he's at by being a cowboy...whether it was on the streets or within music, he didn't inherit this, he's still "new rich" to a lot of people he rubs elbows with outside of hip hop, so it's definitely in the back of their minds as well.

Saying he can't relate to the "hood" just because he's so far removed is really glossing over the fact that it's at his foundation, it's the driving force behind his thought process, he ain't escaping that shyt, doesn't mean he HAS to springboard off of that with everything...but the fact that he kind of does, even indirectly just shows you how deeply ingrained it is. Watching the making of RD kinda made me appreciate that album on a whole different level.

I'd rather him still be struggling with the "harsh dualities" of "i'm still that guy, i'm not supposed to be here" than trying to hustle me coasting ala "run this town" (i been playing 2k, I fukking hate that song now, aughh)...the only other option is for him to be more deep, and people will complain and say it sounds forced....there is nothing forced about jay's past as a drug dealer juxtaposed with his celebrity, it may come off as shallow on the surface but that's really what is at the foundation of his being, and it's why he does his best work when he's able to explore it rather than trying to be a universal rap star.

*Edit*

This is a beautiful piece of camel-stanning right here, I could feel desert sands between my hooves as the words left my fingers

:blessed:
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Breh if Chris Martin is flat out :heh: at the concept of you being a gangster/drug dealer, because what he knows of you is so foreign to that, then it's safe to say you can put the hood shyt to rest, despite what Fox News says.

And for the record I don't get the vibe that Jay is honoring his past. I get the vibe that he's Al Bundy still talking about playing football in highschool. He ties the "I used to be a drug dealer" shyt into everything he says.

Son said "I'm the Malcolm X of selling coke" on that "100 Bill" song. The fukk does that even mean man? Fox News and white America inspired him to write that, or is Fox News still talking about the shyt because he won't shut up about it?

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hexagram23 said:
So Jay's been rapping about selling drugs the last 20+ years because Russian billionaires gossip. Oh ok.

Why would I watch Fox News? :heh:

Stop grasping at straws man. There is no reason for a 43 year old multi-millionaire to be talking about some shyt he did 25 years ago, that literally nobody gives a fukk about any more.

If it wasn't Jay, who you're a fan of, and it was some random old head constantly talking about "back in my day I..." you'd tune that shyt out quick fast, because nobody cares. Just becaue Jay raps that don't give him a pass to get on his Al Bundy shyt.

I mean, if you have to resort to :ld: "well, Fox News is still talking about it" that should be a big ass clue that you have no legs to stand on.

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You explicitly said "no one"
I replied well,
1. Yes in Jay-z's circles maybe not yours which contains a variety of people.
2. Letterman, Howard Stern, Oprah, BBC, Forbes and the most famous media sources in the fukking world.
3. And lastly the biggest haters of them all Fox News.

That alone should've killed your whole argument but you are still going.


Nobody gives a fukk about it? How come everyone wants him to make another American Gangster :why:? This is what formed him. It's like MJ talking about his life and not mentioning Chicago. It was like in 09 when he'd been living of rapping for as long as he had been living of selling drugs. It's like Nas talking about Queens for the past 20 years, DMX talking about not having anything and on. I know that you are white and all, but I would at least expect a grown up to understand that the crack epidemic shaped a large part of a whole generation of brothers.
 
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