Jesus proven not to be the messiah

[The Realist Perspective]

The Messiah

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Was Jesus the Messiah Foretold in the Old Testament?



1. What Does the Old Testament Say About the Messiah?



The OT lays out clear, concrete expectations for the Messiah—no guesswork, no metaphors needed:

• Line of David: Must be a direct descendant of King David (2 Sam. 7:12–13, Jer. 23:5).

• Reigns as King: A visible, political ruler over Israel (Isa. 9:6–7, Jer. 33:15).

• Gathers all Jews: Brings exiled Jews back to Israel (Isa. 11:11–12, Ezek. 37:21–22).

• Rebuilds the Temple: Involves the restoration of the Temple in Jerusalem (Ezek. 37:26–28).

• Establishes global peace: No war, full justice, harmony worldwide (Isa. 2:4, Mic. 4:3).

• Upholds Torah: The Torah (God’s Law) is observed and honored worldwide (Isa. 2:2–3).



These are public, historical, observable accomplishments. Not symbolic, not spiritualized, not deferred to the afterlife.



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2. Did Jesus Fulfill These OT Messianic Requirements?



No, not by the OT’s plain, original standards:

• He did not reign as king.

• He did not gather Jews back to Israel.

• He did not rebuild the Temple—it was destroyed shortly after his death.

• He did not bring global peace—wars and oppression continued.

• He did not lead a Torah-observant revival—his followers eventually abandoned core commandments like circumcision and kosher laws.



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3. So Why Do Christians Still Call Him the Messiah?



Christianity changes the rules to justify the claim:

• Spiritualizes the prophecies (e.g., “peace” = peace with God, not world peace).

• Claims a second coming to fulfill the unmet parts—a concept not found in the OT.

• Retrofits OT passages (like Isaiah 53) to apply to Jesus, even though they weren’t seen as messianic in Jewish tradition before Christianity.

• Overrides the OT reading by placing NT interpretation above OT context.



This creates a new framework that only works if you already believe Jesus is the Messiah. It’s not persuasive from the OT alone.



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4. Isn’t That a Contradiction?



Yes. It’s like someone claims to be playing your game by your rules—but they:

• Change the win conditions.

• Say the original rules were metaphorical.

• Claim the real game was “spiritual” all along.



By OT standards, Jesus does not fulfill the messianic job description. That’s why Judaism rejects the claim entirely—not out of stubbornness, but because it doesn’t add up.



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5. Isn’t Jesus Then in Conflict with YHWH?



Here’s the hard-hitting truth:

• YHWH says clearly in the OT: “You shall have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3).

• He says He alone saves, shares His glory with no one, and there is no mediator(Isaiah 43:11, 42:8, Deut. 4:35).

• But Jesus in the NT says: “No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

• People begin praying to Jesus, calling him God, worshiping him directly.



This is a massive theological shift. If the OT is taken at face value, then placing Jesus between humanity and YHWH makes him a rival, not a servant.



The NT solution is the Trinity, which redefines monotheism to include Jesus as God. But this concept does not appear in the OT, and would have been totally alien to every OT prophet and follower of YHWH.



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Conclusion: What Does This Mean?

• If you’re evaluating based strictly on the Old Testament: Jesus does not qualify as the Messiah.

• The New Testament’s reinterpretation of the OT does not align with the original context.

• The NT presents a new religion that claims continuity, but in reality, contradicts the foundation it builds on.

• Recognizing this is not blasphemy—it’s intellectual honesty.



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Full disclosure yes this is ChatGPT. But can we argue these points?

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Didnt read blasphemy

 

[boogers]

the jews dont think the messiah has been born yet, which is why they reject christ

 

[TEH]

fukk this thread

 

[benjamin]

keep playing with God you idiot.

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Considering it's all fiction, yeah that sounds about right

 

[cyndaquil]

Didnt read blasphemy

you won't go to hell for reading something and using critical thinking to decide if the evidence for the claim makes sense breh

 

[shopthatwrecks]

the jews dont think the messiah has been born yet, which is why they reject christ

thats why them hoes got mangled meat

 

[TRUEST]

the jews dont think the messiah has been born yet, which is why they reject christ

Hmm
Y’all better be nice to me.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

This is why we have billions of Christians nowadays. No one critically thinks and actually reads the Bible. They just listen to what the pastor says or what’s generally accepted.

Just look at the responses. No one can take the post head on.

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

would anyone like to challenge the OP

@Chrishaune ?

 

[YakSpiller]

2025 and y’all still believing ancient fairytales.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

Christianity has been used as a tool to control people. It teaches followers to focus on the next life instead of the one they’re living now. That message has been used throughout history to make people easier to rule. First, missionaries go into a land and preach peace, obedience, and heavenly rewards. Then, once the people are softened, outsiders take their land, resources, and power. This happened all over the world:

• Hawaii – Missionaries arrived first, then the U.S. overthrew the Hawaiian monarchy and took the islands.
• Africa – European colonizers used Christianity to pacify tribes before stealing land, labor, and minerals.
• Caribbean Islands – Colonizers used Christian teachings to justify slavery and erase native culture.
• Philippines – Spain used Christianity to dominate the islands for over 300 years, crushing native beliefs.
• South America – Spanish and Portuguese used Christian missions to convert and control Indigenous peoples.
• Mexico – Catholic missionaries helped Spain destroy Aztec religion and rule over the people.
• Australia – Aboriginal children were taken from families by the church in a plan to erase their culture.
• Canada – Christian-run schools stripped Native children of their language and identity.
• India – British colonizers used Christianity to create divisions and justify their rule.
• Korea – Missionaries opened the door to Western influence that later led to colonization and war.
• China – Christian missions were used to weaken Chinese traditions and justify foreign involvement.
• Native American lands (USA) – Christianity was used to justify stealing land and “civilizing” tribes.

Instead of leading a nation to freedom, he tells people to turn the other cheek, obey the government, and wait for heaven. That message, once mixed with politics, became perfect for controlling large groups of people.

Religions like Christianity are respected and protected around the world. Churches don’t even pay taxes. But if you understand how it’s been used, you can see it’s more than just faith it’s also a system. And if you’re aware of that, you can learn how to protect yourself or even use that system to your advantage.

 

[JuvenileHell]

Religion

 

[Yinny]

#notmyMessiah