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@Child_Of_God Can you defend against what i am saying or are you just going to neg and call me a bytch in the comment like a good Christian?
Jesus proven not to be the messiah
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O.T.I.S.
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This was always one of my questions.
It almost seems as if the OT and NT are 2 totally different books about 2 totally different Gods.
And if you discuss it, people will claim it’s blasphemous when in reality, I just really want to understand.
But how it was explained to me was that God did away with the OT but people still use it or reference it for different outcomes. So if he “did away” with it, why is it still used.
AI said it, so I will wait for a Coli AI/Religious nikka to speak on it
It almost seems as if the OT and NT are 2 totally different books about 2 totally different Gods.
And if you discuss it, people will claim it’s blasphemous when in reality, I just really want to understand.
But how it was explained to me was that God did away with the OT but people still use it or reference it for different outcomes. So if he “did away” with it, why is it still used.
AI said it, so I will wait for a Coli AI/Religious nikka to speak on it
@Jesus H. Christ they outchea n the year 2025 sullying your good name 
ReturnOfJudah
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lol this is light work. This is why us Israelites hang around this site. To shut down copied and paste theories. If you actually read and studied you would see how dumb this question was.
Acts Chapter 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Christ told the jews it wasn't time yet to fulfill the last days prophecies. He fulfilled a lot of OT prophecies but the ones OP's referring to wasn't the time of his first coming. He will return in all power and glory and that's when the humble sheep that went into heaven will come back as a roaring lion, slaughtering the enemies of the Israelites and returning the Israelites to their promised land
Acts Chapter 1:6-11
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Christ told the jews it wasn't time yet to fulfill the last days prophecies. He fulfilled a lot of OT prophecies but the ones OP's referring to wasn't the time of his first coming. He will return in all power and glory and that's when the humble sheep that went into heaven will come back as a roaring lion, slaughtering the enemies of the Israelites and returning the Israelites to their promised land
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Didnt read blasphemy
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JoelB
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Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Any Christian that throws out the old testament shouldnt be taken seriously
u right as usual, but u know nikkas gonna skip over this post
ReturnOfJudah
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Don't sleep on the bible. It go down
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The Realist Perspective
Superstar
Point to in the OT where it says the messiah dies then comes back.
Point to in the OT where it says the messiah fulfills being the messiah a second go round.
Not supported anywhere in the OT.
You quoted Acts which is circular in its logic.
The NT of course paints a narrative of Jesus being the messiah, show where he fulfills that in the OT.
from what i understand, Christ came to earth to evolve Judaism essentially. however, he was rejected by most Jews as a false Messiah; Saul of Tarsus aka Paul converted (after falling off a donkey in Damascus, apparently) and joined this new cult which he ultimately formed into the Catholic Church. the word spread across Asia Minor and was eventually even adopted in Rome under Constantine.
under this new system, Christ's teachings (which he channeled through His father, God) succeed the Old Testament. However, there was eventually a schism in the church which led to Eastern and Western differences. they both accumulated different compilations of the Bible over time. the Old Testament is roughly the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh, which is made up of three books, Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim.
It's not all Gods word anyway, a lot of it poetry, history, morality stories, and so on. there's also the Talmud (which is used out of context on here frequently to shyt on Jews), which is essentially Rabbi commentary on worldly/heavenly matters. Thats where you find a lot of gross weirdo shyt... its not necessarily holy. i think of it as an old school blog/diary almost.
christians are supposed to follow Christ, so they shouldn't be fukking with the Old Testament at all. they'd be a lot better people if they didnt. we are seeing what true zealotry looks like in Israel/Palestine right now... Netanyahu calling them Amalekites, citing scripture to justify their murder and genocide. Scary shyt.
tl;dr - the Old Testament is used to fingerpoint at people basically. and by Jews. and remixed by Muhammed... known as the Quran.
i am agnostic myself, but religions are fascinating. but i try to take them as what they are, old school morality plays mixed in with some factual and non-factual history. look up biblical monsters sometime and tell me you can ever take it that serious.
i apologize if i offended anyones views. just my interpretation.. tho it might be the bud talking. and it aint AI.. im this dumb naturally
O.T.I.S.
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i have looked up Biblical Monsters before… and it didn’t make any sense to mefrom what i understand, Christ came to earth to evolve Judaism essentially. however, he was rejected by most Jews as a false Messiah; Saul of Tarsus aka Paul converted (after falling off a donkey in Damascus, apparently) and joined this new cult which he ultimately formed into the Catholic Church. the word spread across Asia Minor and was eventually even adopted in Rome under Constantine.
under this new system, Christ's teachings (which he channeled through His father, God) succeed the Old Testament. However, there was eventually a schism in the church which led to Eastern and Western differences. they both accumulated different compilations of the Bible over time. the Old Testament is roughly the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh, which is made up of three books, Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim.
It's not all Gods word anyway, a lot of it poetry, history, morality stories, and so on. there's also the Talmud (which is used out of context on here frequently to shyt on Jews), which is essentially Rabbi commentary on worldly/heavenly matters. Thats where you find a lot of gross weirdo shyt... its not necessarily holy. i think of it as an old school blog/diary almost.
christians are supposed to follow Christ, so they shouldn't be fukking with the Old Testament at all. they'd be a lot better people if they didnt. we are seeing what true zealotry looks like in Israel/Palestine right now... Netanyahu calling them Amalekites, citing scripture to justify their murder and genocide. Scary shyt.
tl;dr - the Old Testament is used to fingerpoint at people basically. and by Jews. and remixed by Muhammed... known as the Quran.
i am agnostic myself, but religions are fascinating. but i try to take them as what they are, old school morality plays mixed in with some factual and non-factual history. look up biblical monsters sometime and tell me you can ever take it that serious.
i apologize if i offended anyones views. just my interpretation.. tho it might be the bud talking. and it aint AI.. im this dumb naturally
But im more like you in that I find the history of religion and religions kind of fascinating, but it is a lot to remember for a part time hobby.
And it feels like everyday things are changing about it. As well, no offense. I find myself leaning more towards agnostic because I’m not sure what legit or not at this point for actual faith.
But I do believe in a God/Higher Power
The Realist Perspective
Superstar
from what i understand, Christ came to earth to evolve Judaism essentially. however, he was rejected by most Jews as a false Messiah; Saul of Tarsus aka Paul converted (after falling off a donkey in Damascus, apparently) and joined this new cult which he ultimately formed into the Catholic Church. the word spread across Asia Minor and was eventually even adopted in Rome under Constantine.
under this new system, Christ's teachings (which he channeled through His father, God) succeed the Old Testament. However, there was eventually a schism in the church which led to Eastern and Western differences. they both accumulated different compilations of the Bible over time. the Old Testament is roughly the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh, which is made up of three books, Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim.
It's not all Gods word anyway, a lot of it poetry, history, morality stories, and so on. there's also the Talmud (which is used out of context on here frequently to shyt on Jews), which is essentially Rabbi commentary on worldly/heavenly matters. Thats where you find a lot of gross weirdo shyt... its not necessarily holy. i think of it as an old school blog/diary almost.
christians are supposed to follow Christ, so they shouldn't be fukking with the Old Testament at all. they'd be a lot better people if they didnt. we are seeing what true zealotry looks like in Israel/Palestine right now... Netanyahu calling them Amalekites, citing scripture to justify their murder and genocide. Scary shyt.
tl;dr - the Old Testament is used to fingerpoint at people basically. and by Jews. and remixed by Muhammed... known as the Quran.
i am agnostic myself, but religions are fascinating. but i try to take them as what they are, old school morality plays mixed in with some factual and non-factual history. look up biblical monsters sometime and tell me you can ever take it that serious.
i apologize if i offended anyones views. just my interpretation.. tho it might be the bud talking. and it aint AI.. im this dumb naturally
The thing you have to understand the NT has zero legs without OT, it’s its literal foundation. Jesus is alleged to be the messiah described in the OT. You cannot throw out the OT due to this very fact.
You cannot throw out the OT especially when Jesus does not line up to the OT, and the words from YHWH himself.
This is what I am pointing out.
there may very well be a God, but God would be way too far beyond our understanding or comprehension. hell, we probably would'nt even be able to see them. we barely see as it is... even colors.
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i think if God exists, they aren't really concerned with us. morals are something we decided on as a species over 2 million years. thats why so many cultures share so many things, even ones that never met.
yeah, and theres the Matthew 10:34 problem as well
Jesus wasn't a nice dude all the time
