Jets to cut Sanchez, pick Geno Smith?

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ok...so how many years does geno get then ? how many years/starts/reps does he need to prove/disprove something ?


those are all different situations altogether. eagles and pats clearly had better qbs behind them. panthers decided to grab a physical specimen in cam.


first, get chemistry in order. rex seems to split this team up. you NEED a glue coach, and at this point rex might be a lame duck.

second, you need to build the front 7. that defense is pathetic. get some receivers. the only rookie qb able to do anything without a good WRs lately was RGIII. a #1 WR goes a long way to establishing confidence.

you need to get a top 10 defense, especially run defense and pass rush established. secondary isnt as important, because nowadays it feeds off the front 7, and can be addressed after.

your oline is actually fine more or less in talent, its just I think they gave up. that goes back to the first point about chemistry and locker room unity.

oh and get rid of tebow for fukks sake :skip:


by the way, maybe youre not getting my point. I have nothing against the jets drafting geno in this draft, at that slot hes a good pick up even though Im not a believer. he shouldnt start yet until this team stops being a dysfunctional place.

there's no way of knowing without first seeing what geno's got. he hasn't even had a practice yet.

if he starts and he's gabbert status.. there's nothing wrong with drafting bridgewater next year. my point was that a second round pick doesn't bring nearly the commitment that a first round pick does. it's much easier to write it off as a flopped pick and move on.

it's different but not that different. this is probably vick's last year in philly. having foles didn't stop them from drafting barkley. regardless of whether cam is a "physical specimen," picking clausen the year before didn't stop them from taking a qb in the first the year after.

drafting geno doesn't prohibit them from picking bridgewater next year. that's all i'm saying. it doesn't mean they should draft a qb.. and it doesn't mean they shouldn't. it just means a 2nd round pick isn't a 1st round pick.

getting rid of rex isn't building the team. it's further throwing the team into instability. it's weird how when rex was winning, he was all the players favorite coaches.. the one everyone wanted to play for.. and now that he's hit a rough patch, he's this coach that divides players and teams.

let's be serious. winning solves all chemistry problems.

the defense is the key to drafting a qb now? first off, the d-line has been completely rebuilt in the past couple years. and the defense under rex will always be competitive. at NO point under rex has this defense been pathetic.

i agree that getting receivers would be nice. the jets have already come out and said tavon austin was at the top of their draft board. so you know they know that it's a need. that being said, holmes and kerley are both capable receivers. hill is raw but it's another example of the jets trying to get weapons.

i think everybody agrees that tebow needs to get the fukk out.

i get your point. i'm saying that he hasn't started yet.. and even if he did start, the jets's situation isn't as dire as it's made out to be. sanchez's play and holmes' absence last year made it look a lot worse than it is.

in general, the jets o-line and defense are up to par. ivory/goodson should be a huge upgrade over greene/mcknight/powell. i do think the jets need to get a wr but it's not like they don't have ANY talent in the wr corps.

this is most likely holmes' last year here so i'm thinking next year is when we really go after wrs.
 

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hell even first round picks dont bring the same committment anymore with the rookie contract structure...

Sanchez contract/extension set the team back...Geno's rookie contract never will.
 

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Sounds like poor man's Eli.

He is a poor man's Eli. To be honest, he would make for a solid back-up QB. He is not better than Chad Henne. In fact, Henne is better but has been stuck on bad to below average teams.
 

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there's no way of knowing without first seeing what geno's got. he hasn't even had a practice yet.

if he starts and he's gabbert status.. there's nothing wrong with drafting bridgewater next year. my point was that a second round pick doesn't bring nearly the commitment that a first round pick does. it's much easier to write it off as a flopped pick and move on.

it's different but not that different. this is probably vick's last year in philly. having foles didn't stop them from drafting barkley. regardless of whether cam is a "physical specimen," picking clausen the year before didn't stop them from taking a qb in the first the year after.

drafting geno doesn't prohibit them from picking bridgewater next year. that's all i'm saying. it doesn't mean they should draft a qb.. and it doesn't mean they shouldn't. it just means a 2nd round pick isn't a 1st round pick.

getting rid of rex isn't building the team. it's further throwing the team into instability. it's weird how when rex was winning, he was all the players favorite coaches.. the one everyone wanted to play for.. and now that he's hit a rough patch, he's this coach that divides players and teams.

let's be serious. winning solves all chemistry problems.

the defense is the key to drafting a qb now? first off, the d-line has been completely rebuilt in the past couple years. and the defense under rex will always be competitive. at NO point under rex has this defense been pathetic.

i agree that getting receivers would be nice. the jets have already come out and said tavon austin was at the top of their draft board. so you know they know that it's a need. that being said, holmes and kerley are both capable receivers. hill is raw but it's another example of the jets trying to get weapons.

i think everybody agrees that tebow needs to get the fukk out.

i get your point. i'm saying that he hasn't started yet.. and even if he did start, the jets's situation isn't as dire as it's made out to be. sanchez's play and holmes' absence last year made it look a lot worse than it is.

in general, the jets o-line and defense are up to par. ivory/goodson should be a huge upgrade over greene/mcknight/powell. i do think the jets need to get a wr but it's not like they don't have ANY talent in the wr corps.

this is most likely holmes' last year here so i'm thinking next year is when we really go after wrs.
:ehh: I think we found some common ground.

I disagree about rex tho. I think hes a great coach when you win but when you lose he starts to split the locker room up. and I do agree winning is the best chemistry, but there are coaches who can maintain chemistry no matter what state the team is in.

now its all my speculation, but its my feeling rex lost a lot of respect and support in the jets locker room over the sanchez thing and in general handling the teams affairs a bit poor. its just a hunch tho :manny:
 

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last emp 2000 constantly talks about the Jets bc he hates them and hes a niners fan....and Alex Smith becoming a serviceable qb has made a few ppl believe qb isnt the most important position on the field...

yeah, i seen last emp and rebel? get into heated arguments. :lolbron:

i've just never seen niner fans and jets fans really interested in each other teams like this in real life or on forums.

do jets fans chill in niner threads?

i need to know if i gotta join the fight :myman:
 

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He is a poor man's Eli. To be honest, he would make for a solid back-up QB. He is not better than Chad Henne. In fact, Henne is better but has been stuck on bad to below average teams.

Henne actually chose the Jags over the Jets last year...henne would have beaten out Sanchez too
 

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there's no way of knowing without first seeing what geno's got. he hasn't even had a practice yet.

if he starts and he's gabbert status.. there's nothing wrong with drafting bridgewater next year. my point was that a second round pick doesn't bring nearly the commitment that a first round pick does. it's much easier to write it off as a flopped pick and move on.

it's different but not that different. this is probably vick's last year in philly. having foles didn't stop them from drafting barkley. regardless of whether cam is a "physical specimen," picking clausen the year before didn't stop them from taking a qb in the first the year after.

drafting geno doesn't prohibit them from picking bridgewater next year. that's all i'm saying. it doesn't mean they should draft a qb.. and it doesn't mean they shouldn't. it just means a 2nd round pick isn't a 1st round pick.

getting rid of rex isn't building the team. it's further throwing the team into instability. it's weird how when rex was winning, he was all the players favorite coaches.. the one everyone wanted to play for.. and now that he's hit a rough patch, he's this coach that divides players and teams.

let's be serious. winning solves all chemistry problems.

the defense is the key to drafting a qb now? first off, the d-line has been completely rebuilt in the past couple years. and the defense under rex will always be competitive. at NO point under rex has this defense been pathetic.

i agree that getting receivers would be nice. the jets have already come out and said tavon austin was at the top of their draft board. so you know they know that it's a need. that being said, holmes and kerley are both capable receivers. hill is raw but it's another example of the jets trying to get weapons.

i think everybody agrees that tebow needs to get the fukk out.

i get your point. i'm saying that he hasn't started yet.. and even if he did start, the jets's situation isn't as dire as it's made out to be. sanchez's play and holmes' absence last year made it look a lot worse than it is.

in general, the jets o-line and defense are up to par. ivory/goodson should be a huge upgrade over greene/mcknight/powell. i do think the jets need to get a wr but it's not like they don't have ANY talent in the wr corps.

this is most likely holmes' last year here so i'm thinking next year is when we really go after wrs.

I understand the media has soured many on Smith but he's much better than Gabbert. Much better. Once again, he is much close as a prospect to RG3 than he is to Gabbert. He is a legit extremely talented passer and a very talented QB. He is not RG3 or Luck but he could put up better numbers. Again, he is much better than Gabbert.
 

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:deadrose: Of course, what type of question is that. Once in a gen QB's>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyone else regardless of how good they are Day 1. A cornerstone QB guarantees you success for many years. A cornerstone DE assures you a solid at worse defense but not team success.

i only ask bc I havent watched Bridgewater really
 

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yeah, i seen last emp and rebel? get into heated arguments. :lolbron:

i've just never seen niner fans and jets fans really interested in each other teams like this in real life or on forums.

do jets fans chill in niner threads?

i need to know if i gotta join the fight :myman:

Im in all football threads in general :smugbiden:

this thread at some point hit close home to my firm belief that qb position is overrated and overstated, and the value of team in general is severely underrated.... so I had to join in :skip:
 

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Henne actually chose the Jags over the Jets last year...henne would have beaten out Sanchez too

I don't know, he's about the same level as Sanchez and Gabbert rookie season was nothing short of trash, his 2nd year was meh but that was a great improvement. I guess he assumed it gave him the best chance to start and it wasn't a media spot like the Jets are. Henne isn't a bad back-up but he's no starter. He is good for 1 or 2 games at best.
 

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He is a poor man's Eli. To be honest, he would make for a solid back-up QB. He is not better than Chad Henne. In fact, Henne is better but has been stuck on bad to below average teams.

Henne is betteer I agree.
 

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Henne is betteer I agree.

The problem with Henne is he wasn't drafted super high and he is only slightly better than Mark. If Sanchez has the big contract, Henne will have to be outright better which he isn't so Sanchez would keep him job but Henne is still better. Better on film. Better on stats. Just better.
 

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is this your attempt at trolling?

Mark Sanchez is garbage. There is nothing else to talk about

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