Jim Jones Says Roc-A-Fella Breakup Did 'A Lot Of Damage' To New York Hip Hop

[ajnapoleon]

On paper...

They had a MEAN roster....

From in-house production to actual talent...

The combination of collaborations/albums/cross promotions that could have occurred if everyone was on the same page was endless...

That's one of the reasons why Dash kinda bitter..

He missed out on millions

He could get back in


If he would publicly admit he had a part in what happened

I believe that’s what’s holding jay from helping or working with him again


He don’t have to say what he did


But admit he had a hand in the fall of the roc


Dame acts like he did nothing wrong at all

When the story’s been out there

 

[OJ Simpsom]

So did Jim Jones beefing with Max B and GUnit beefing with DBlock. NY vs NY is what fukked it up.

 

[L. Deezy]

Jay said himself that he told Beanie, Freeway, Young Gunz, etc to FLOOD the streets with music a year beforehand because he knew 50 was coming and shyt was about to change but they didn’t listen to him.

I think its soft key forgotten how much of a super nova 50 was at the time. I was never a fan personally but it legit felt like 50 just completely took over Hip Hop OVERNIGHT. In The Club and 21 Questions were EVERY fukkING WHERE! You could NOT escape those two songs. Get Rich was hot as fish grease. Then the G-Unit take over, then The Game. 50 had a good 5 year stranglehold on mainstream rap the likes I wonder if we’ll ever see again.

Its a wonder that somebody like Kanye was able to break through as the “breath of fresh air” the way he did.

Exactly

 

[tuckgod]

@African Peasant

Prime Roc - 03

Jay
Kanye
Beans
Freeway
Peedi
Young Chris
Cam

Prime Death Row - 96 (it was really 95 but if I don’t include Pac it really wouldn’t be fair)

Dre*
Pac
Snoop
Daz
Kurupt
Nate Dogg
Lady of Rage

Do you want to discuss classic songs/projects as well?

 

[Food Mane]

That you must not know me diss went under the radar...

Cam VIOLATED

Juelz is human crack ... shyt I got work on your block

 

[Food Mane]

So did Jim Jones beefing with Max B and GUnit beefing with DBlock. NY vs NY is what fukked it up.

In a 2 year span we saw 50, Jay, Cam/Dipset, Mase, Lox, Fat Joe, Murder Inc, DMX/Ruff Ryders, Nas, Mobb Deep, Cormega all go at it.

 

[African Peasant]

@African Peasant

Prime Roc - 03

Jay
Kanye
Beans
Freeway
Peedi
Young Chris
Cam

Prime Death Row - 96 (it was really 95 but if I don’t include Pac it really wouldn’t be fair)

Dre*
Pac
Snoop
Daz
Kurupt
Nate Dogg
Lady of Rage

Do you want to discuss classic songs/projects as well?

The Roc misused those Phily cats. At least DOGG Pound gave us a classic (even though it wasn't techically on DR).

 

[Rekkapryde]

This is nonsense.

He's talking about the Roc like it was Death Row or something.

was just about to post this exact thing.

 

[tuckgod]

The Roc misused those Phily cats. At least DOGG Pound gave us a classic (even though it wasn't techically on DR).

They gave us a classic, State Prop alone gave us 2-3 between Beans and Freeway

I think if the Roc would’ve stayed together State Prop would’ve continued to have power, they actually suffered the most because they was just hitting their stride with Peddi coming into the fold

That tape Sigel did before he went in is a classic by itself



I love Death Row to death, was just listening to the Murder was the Case soundtrack reminiscing like crazy a few days ago, but I think people overstate their actual musical output and it’s exposed when you compare it to a label like the Roc

They truly dropped the ball on some magical shyt because Jay was selfish

 

[360dagod]

He could get back in


If he would publicly admit he had a part in what happened

I believe that’s what’s holding jay from helping or working with him again


He don’t have to say what he did


But admit he had a hand in the fall of the roc


Dame acts like he did nothing wrong at all

When the story’s been out there

Dame is a headache...

I should have been more clear...

Dame seen the vision of where it could have gone if the cards aligned....

In saying that...

I don't fault Jay for leaving him in the dust

 

[African Peasant]

They gave us a classic, State Prop alone gave us 2-3 between Beans and Freeway

I love Death Row to death, was just listening to the Murder was the Case soundtrack reminiscing like crazy a few days ago, but I think people overstate their actual musical output and it’s exposed when you compare it to a label like the Roc

They truly dropped the ball on some magical shyt because Jay was selfish

You're overestimating the Roc. But that's really another debate.

My point was not about quality per se, but about influence. The Roc did not have on the East coast, the influence DR had on West Coast rap. DR demise sunk WestCoast rap.

The Roc was just one among many in terms of pull in the East. It did not have the centrality DR had on the West. In terms of peak, the Roc does not come close to Bad Boy and is slightly behind even Murder Inc.

 

[360dagod]

You're overestimating the Roc. But that's really another debate.

My point was not about quality per se, but about influence. The Roc did not have on the East coast, the influence DR had on West Coast rap. DR demise sunk WestCoast rap.

The Roc was just one among many in terms of pull in the East. It did not have the centrality DR had on the West. In terms of peak, the Roc does not come close to Bad Boy and is slightly behind even Murder Inc.

Murder Inc....

You gotta explain this one my boy

 

[tuckgod]

You're overestimating the Roc. But that's really another debate.

My point was not about quality per se, but about influence. The Roc did not have on the East coast, the influence DR had on West Coast rap. DR demise sunk WestCoast rap.

The Roc was just one among many in terms of pull in the East. It did not have the centrality DR had on the West. In terms of peak, the Roc does not come close to Bad Boy and is slightly behind even Murder Inc.

We’ll have to agree to disagree breh

I disagree with just about all of this but I don’t want to go back and forth all day

 

[African Peasant]

Murder Inc....

You gotta explain this one my boy

The Roc never had an Ashanti.

 

[African Peasant]

@African Peasant

Prime Roc - 03

Jay
Kanye
Beans
Freeway
Peedi
Young Chris
Cam

Prime Death Row - 96 (it was really 95 but if I don’t include Pac it really wouldn’t be fair)

Dre*
Pac
Snoop
Daz
Kurupt
Nate Dogg
Lady of Rage

Do you want to discuss classic songs/projects as well?

Prime DR had the biggest rappers earth. Prime Roc did not.