Jimmy Garappalo: Is he worth it? If so, who gets him?

[yseJ]

Find me the successful pro QB's with less than 25 college starts and a sub 60 completion percentage then tell me college careers dont matter.

talking about arbitrary values here ?
there are a fair number of successful qbs who had less than or around 25 college starts. kurt warner didnt play until his senior season did he ? brady started like 25 games.

there are also tons of busts from college whose high profile didnt help them at all. point is once you get in the league and produce/not produce in the league, no one cares about your prospect rating

 

[Trip]

talking about arbitrary values here ?
there are a fair number of successful qbs who had less than or around 25 college starts. kurt warner didnt play until his senior season did he ? brady started like 25 games.

there are also tons of busts from college whose high profile didnt help them at all. point is once you get in the league and produce/not produce in the league, no one cares about your prospect rating

groundbreaking stuff here.

 

[yseJ]

You're ignoring what the market is. Think about what the Vikings gave up for Sam Bradford and the Rams to get Goff. Jimmy G is clearly better than both of those guys at this point. People comparing this to other Pats QBs have never watched those guys in New England. Jimmy G is the only one of those guys where you're like "you know what, if Brady retires and this is our future, we're good with that." He has all of the tools. Cassel was able to be schemed around in New England and KC. He never had the arm, accuracy, and ability to read defenses quickly. Rodgers wasn't available to trade for like you said because the Packers were moving on from Favre. TThe other guys were drafted to be Brady's back up. Jimmy was drafted to replace him. Again, if you're a team that needs a QB, JImmy G is better than any QB you would spend a high round pick on in this draft, last year's draft, and probably the draft after that.

If McDaniels takes the Jacksonville job, how can the Jaguars not trade for Jimmy G with those offensive weapons? It would be stupid not to.

I'm not ignoring what the market is
Im saying its a shytty idea. I have said so when bradford was traded, when picks for goff were exchanged, picks for cutler, picks for palmer, picks for rgIII. all those, I was saying its dumb right away.

the problem here is that you think the market is end of it all when the real thing is playing for VALUE. stock players dont buy at market value, they sell high and they buy low.
the gms in the league, have proven to be blinded by qb thirst, and keep making the same mistake, time and time and time again.

what you're saying is that they know better. what Im saying is no, they dont know any better. thats they keep playing the qb sweepstakes and wasting draft picks like idiots

pats know grap's strengths and weaknesses better than anyone, and a smart org- again, consistently with your views- will not let go of a qb for less value than they're worth. so why are pats willing to trade him then if hes worth as much or more ? it would make NO sense from that point. if he was drafted to replace brady, why arent they keeping him like GB kept rodgers, like SD did rivers, and so on ?
its easy - pats know hes not the future, and they want to get VALUE out of the deal.

thats what smart orgs do.

the dumb orgs fap to random qbs shell out the future betting on a lottery ticket and then are left with jack shyt. then they, like you, point to the market and try to justify their failures.

fukk the market value. if I dont think as player is worth the money, I wont pay him the money. doesnt matter what other comparable players are getting. and I will be right in majority of situations.

 

[yseJ]

groundbreaking stuff here.

you accused me of arbitrary comparisons and then asked me to find successful college qbs who had less than 25 starts and sub 60% completion rate, which is as random as you can get

the simple point is that once you're in nfl and producing or fukking up, no one will give two shyts how well you did in college. sure, if you were a very shytty college qb, theres an extremely small chance you'll be able to make it to NFL and then grab a start. its common sense. but once you're in NFL playing against NFL competition and have tape on you, the college performances are nearly irrelevant.

 

[Trip]

you accused me of arbitrary comparisons and then asked me to find successful college qbs who had less than 25 starts and sub 60% completion rate, which is as random as you can get

the simple point is that once you're in nfl and producing or fukking up, no one will give two shyts how well you did in college. sure, if you were a very shytty college qb, theres an extremely small chance you'll be able to make it to NFL and then grab a start. its common sense. but once you're in NFL playing against NFL competition and have tape on you, the college performances are nearly irrelevant.

I'm still asking you that question lol. Picking out the biggest outlier in sports history in Brady as your example just proves the point. (and he even had a +60 completion)

There hasn't been a stronger indicator of pro success at the QB position than college starts and completion percentage. Flynn didnt hit either of those baselines while Garrapolo did.

Not saying Garrapolo is good. But he's a sure better guy to bet on than Flynn ever was.

 

[yseJ]

I'm still asking you that question lol. Picking out the biggest outlier in sports history in Brady as your example just proves the point. (and he even had a +60 completion)

There hasn't been a stronger indicator of pro success at the QB position than college starts and completion percentage. Flynn didnt hit either of those baselines while Garrapolo did.

Not saying Garrapolo is good. But he's a sure better guy to bet on than Flynn ever was.

your baseline is dumb and arbitrary, sorry. for a college qb lower than 60% is quite shytty nowadays. all your point says that flynn was shyt in college and you for some reason are out to prove that he was shyt. ok, fine. I can probably find some close to your dumb baseline:

ryan tannehill, 26 starts, 62% completion.
cutler had 57% completion and still was revered
matt hasselbeck under 25 starts, under 60% completion
mark brunell, under 25 starts, 52% completion
rich gannon well under 60% completion

jeff garcia, mark rypien had ~30 starts and well under 60% completion

is that enough ?

I agree that garappolo is probably a better qb than flynn, but also flynn didnt net his team picks and wasnt franchised to get picks.

 

[JYoung24]

What an awful question. When was the last time a team had a QB of his caliber sitting behind the GOAT? He's not a typical backup QB sitting behind a scrub. He's behind the GOAT..

he sitting behind peyton?

 

[Trip]

your baseline is dumb and arbitrary, sorry. for a college qb lower than 60% is quite shytty nowadays. all your point says that flynn was shyt in college and you for some reason are out to prove that he was shyt. ok, fine. I can probably find some close to your dumb baseline:

ryan tannehill, 26 starts, 62% completion.
cutler had 57% completion and still was revered
matt hasselbeck under 25 starts, under 60% completion
mark brunell, under 25 starts, 52% completion
rich gannon well under 60% completion

jeff garcia, mark rypien had ~30 starts and well under 60% completion

is that enough ?

I agree that garappolo is probably a better qb than flynn, but also flynn didnt net his team picks and wasnt franchised to get picks.

Hard to call something dumb and arbitrary when 80% of the current starters hit those two metrics. I'd rather play the odds.

 

[yseJ]

Hard to call something dumb and arbitrary when 90% of the current starters hit those two metrics. I'd rather play the odds.

oh so now its 90%
Ive found you some, and you move the goalposts now

 

[Trip]

oh so now its 90%
Ive found you some, and you move the goalposts now

pointing out a few exceptions( 3 of which were long retired) is hardly evidence of it being arbitrary. Playing the odds is the way I'd go. A safer investment would be a guy who played a lot in college and played well vs the one year starter.

 

[K-Apps]

One team I could see lowkey being worth is the Chiefs, but no way is giving Garoppolo to a AFC contender though

 

[No1]

I'm not ignoring what the market is

pats know grap's strengths and weaknesses better than anyone, and a smart org- again, consistently with your views- will not let go of a qb for less value than they're worth. so why are pats willing to trade him then if hes worth as much or more ? it would make NO sense from that point. if he was drafted to replace brady, why arent they keeping him like GB kept rodgers, like SD did rivers, and so on ?
its easy - pats know hes not the future, and they want to get VALUE out of the deal.

thats what smart orgs do.

The Patriots never asked for this much for anyone else. Moreover, I already told you, the Pats aren't moving on from Brady for the next couple of seasons. The Pats see more value in trading Jimmy than him sitting behind Brady for two more seasons. They also like Brisette, and think that he can be good with more seasoning. If Brady played like he did the first four games two seasons ago, he would've been traded/released and Jimmy would be the starter right now. You're arguing with Pats fans who read the reports every day about the Patriots, that on its face is strange because you're essentially saying your conjecture >>> our research.

 

[yseJ]

pointing out a few exceptions( 3 of which were long retired) is hardly evidence of it being arbitrary. Playing the odds is the way I'd go. A safer investment would be a guy who played a lot in college and played well vs the one year starter.

but we arent choosing between the two

Ive mentioned that clown flynn as an example of a qb who after showing out was coveted by many teams. even if he had a shytty college career. you turned this into some kind of competition
do you want to make a list of all qbs who have had comparable college careers as grap and ended up busts ?

 

[Trip]

do you want to make a list of all qbs who have had comparable college careers as grap and ended up busts ?

I'm sure there are plenty. All I said he was a safer guy to go after than Flynn...and understandable for a team without a QB to pursue.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Jimmy G is the real deal. I was skeptical for a while but he's legit. I don't want us to trade him. Gotta let him sit for the next 3 years until tom retires