JJ Redikk "Stephen Curry plays against more physicality defense than Birds era". Dominique Wilkins responds

[mastermind]

How did Dominque address JJ's initial point?

He never heard it, tbf

The questioner painted it wrongly for clicks

 

[Cladyclad]

I‘ve watched curry play and not once did I ever say “ damn they’re really getting physical with curry up there at the three point line” lol

im not saying it never happens, but let’s be real, the vast majority of curry shots at the three aren’t heavily contested like that

If u don’t touch curry. He literally would avg 40 a game

 

[mastermind]

You have NBA players who played in that era talking about hand checking being prevalent. Am I supposed to believe a Coli poster instead?

Issue and Debate (Published 1979)

Issue and Debate article on question of whether hand checking should be restored (M)

www.nytimes.com

 

[get these nets]

Motherfukkers say the same about Grayson Allen

now name more than 1 other person

im from Detroit

we lost a chip on the softest call in nba history in this tough man no blood no foul 80s league

With the title on the line, they threw the ball into KAJ. Laimbeer did foul him. Veteran superstar Cap was likely to get the call, and dirty ass Laimbeer was not going to the benefit of the doubt.

High IQ play run by the Lakers, and KAJ knocked down two clutch free throws.

Pistons embraced being the Raiders of the NBA/ Bad Boys. Well, it's a package deal when your brand of defense reflects that image, can't bytch about whistles/calls.

*My memory told me that it was a phantom call, but in retrospect, it was a foul. Watch it again.

 

[CHICAGO]

He’s right. Most of Bird’s 3’s were wide open. Curry makes 3s with dudes chasing after him and hanging off his jersey.

Redikk stays sonning these delusional boomer oldheads.

PURE DUCKTALES.

MOST OF STEPHS 3S ARE WIDE
THE fukk OPEN DUE TO
ILLEGAL SCREENS
AND HE BARELY TAKES THEM
WITH DEFENDERS ON HIS HIP.

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[True Blue Moon]

It's a stupid point overall.

Defenses adapt to offenses in sports. If you wanna pull your whole offense behind the arc, the defense will naturally follow the offense there. I felt so stupid having to type out something so rudimentary that I have no idea how JJ didn't feel just as stupid formulating this "idea" in his head.

If I'm game planning you for a football game and you're a run heavy team, I'm running a bunch of Cover 3 & 4 for you to face 8 & 9 man boxes, respectively. If you're on that bombs away vertical offense wave, I pull those safeties back and play Cover 2 to better defend the long ball.

It's that simple that it's literally a brainless, moot point.

And that's where we are today. The school system sucks, people don't read, and everything is anti-intellectual, so any time a "free thinker" comes along and spits something basic or contrarian people pat themselves on the back for agreeing with something that the "sheeple" don't get. It's low hanging fruit that's celebrated whether we're talking serious issues or something entertainment-based like sports.

 

[Cladyclad]

With the title on the line, they threw the ball into KAJ. Laimbeer did foul him. Veteran superstar Cap was likely to get the call, and dirty ass Laimbeer was not going to the benefit of the doubt.

High IQ play run by the Lakers, and KAJ knocked down two clutch free throws.

Pistons embraced being the Raiders of the NBA/ Bad Boys. Well, it's a package deal when your brand of defense reflects that image, can't bytch about whistles/calls.

*My memory told me that it was a phantom call, but in retrospect, it was a foul. Watch it again.

It’s no touch foul in the 80s

 

[The God Poster]

JJ went full heel

ESPN dropped that bag

 

[get these nets]

It’s no touch foul in the 80s

You seem to be doubling down after video evidence, and situational context was shown. Ok

 

[Cladyclad]

You seem to be doubling down after video evidence, and situational context was shown. Ok

They didnt call soft fouls in the 80s

 

[get these nets]

They didnt call soft fouls in the 80s

I know people from your city. Most of them are men, and can admit when they're wrong. I got the impression that all Detroit dudes were solid. Guess not.

 

[Cladyclad]

I know people from your city. Most of them are men, and can admit when they're wrong. I got the impression that all Detroit dudes were solid. Guess not.

They don’t call soft fouls in the 80s

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You have NBA players who played in that era talking about hand checking being prevalent. Am I supposed to believe a Coli poster instead?

No, believe your own damn eyes. I just posted 2 Finals games from 1986 and 1987 that proved it wasn't any kind of warzone down there. If there was some sort of violent defense going on, where is it? Why has NO ONE posted a single counterexample?

Here's another one. This is the 1985 Finals. Why is it so easy to get to the rim? Why are so many players getting open shots within 15 feet? fukk being physical on the perimeter, there are players getting anywhere they want on the court despite the dreading "hand checking". What are you seeing in this clip that's supposed to scare Curry?

Thats why his point is horrible,as if Larry just camped out outside the 3 point line. And getting hugged and leaned on isnt nearly the same as getting an elbow the head,getting knocked on your back,rib shots. One is simply a matter of stamina,while the other is test of mental toughness and the size of your balls.

Tee Morant would be on the court after the first hard foul . Ja wouldn't make it through an 82 game season. These young cats can't even do that now playing gym/ymca ball

You think they played the '90 Pistons eigthy-two times a year? I've posted three different Finals clips, where are the elbows to the head and hard fouls to the ground you claim are rampant?

It's objectively true that it is MORE difficult to get through a season uninjured now then it was then. There are far more injuries for a reason - players are jumping higher, moving faster, have to cover more ground on both offense and defense, and making far harder cuts. Serious injuries of every kind are up, despite physical training and nutrition and medical care being far better. Why? Magic era dust? Did all the lead in the atmosphere in the 1980s give them Wolverine-style connective tissue?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It was before the Pistons…. The Celtics were the ones bussing heads first,m. That’s who the Pistons got their defensive philosophy from, due to them first 2 playoff loses they suffered from them.

So then why have I posted three straight Celtics Finals games from 1985, 1986, and 1987 without anyone being able to point out these heads being busted?


Breh, the Celtics defense in those clips is LIGHTER than modern defense, not tougher. That 1987 Game 6 clip (when Celtics were facing elimination in the biggest game of the year) shows the Lakers in a fukking layup line for most of the game.

 

[Stick Up Kid]

JJ is the typical smug analytical Cac

Dude is terrible