Job-seeker commits suicide after 200 rejections

[Pazzy]

You didn't read what I wrote. I said OCD, ADHD and Depression being "biological" is false. Everyone has deficits. Very few have deficits that can legitimately be blamed on genetics.

they are biologically based which explains why people can't snap out of such disorders. i know this for a fact because there's chemicals in the brain that actually go out of warp which causes the mind to act a certain way. that's why they give people antidepressants. yes, they do work. however, the side effects associated with antidepressants aren't worth the risk of trying to fix one particular mental condition. either way, you're going to have to learn how to live with it IF you want to survive and live as normal of a life as you can. it's very difficult though. it doesn't go away. it's that you just have to have coping skills such as understanding that you don't have control over certain things in life and that obsessing and being compulsive isn't going to stop the best or the worst from happening. you have to live with it.

depression is also serious too. it can manifest itself in many different ways. it can make you angry, it can make you tired, it can make you sad, it can make you feel pain, it can make you feel hopeless, and etc. the things with these mental conditions is that they can completely take over your life without you realizing it because you think that they're normal UNTIL you can't control it or have people telling you that you're not right.

 

[Kings County]

she found out what it was like to be black and couldnt handle it

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

"Biological Depression" is a myth and it's the same for OCD and ADHD, the environment plays a LARGE part in the pathology of each of those mental disorders. The difference with Depression is it manifests later in life and thus there is plenty more volition involved. Keep making excuses. Plenty of people have beat Major Depression. Keep letting apologist tell you certain things are "biological" and that you have no say. It's not about whose "fault" it is but people are humans and not robots, they have control over the inner discourse that interprets their outer world.

Biological Depression, OCD, and ADHD is a myth? How is it you know better than the professionals that recognize these diseases? Also, like I keep saying I'm aware environmental factors play a part in some cases.

Keep making excuses. Plenty of people have beat Major Depression

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Yeah I'm aware. My point isn't that it can't be beat, my point is that it overwhelms some people and they can't handle it. Meanwhile we got nikkas in this thread patting themselves on the back because they went through some shyt without killing themselves. Good job. But depression would have made things harder. That's a fact.

Keep letting apologist tell you certain things are "biological" and that you have no say

So everyone's brain chemistry is equal? Biological factors can't affect mood? Can i get a source?

It's not about whose "fault" it is but people are humans and not robots, they have control over the inner discourse that interprets their outer world.

True, humans have a choice, but some people's choices are influenced by their chemistry.

I still can't believe you had the nerve to say Biological depression, OCD, and ADHD are myths though.

 

[Poitier]

they are biologically based which explains why people can't snap out of such disorders. i know this for a fact because there's chemicals in the brain that actually go out of warp which causes the mind to act a certain way. that's why they give people antidepressants. yes, they do work. however, the side effects associated with antidepressants aren't worth the risk of trying to fix one particular mental condition. either way, you're going to have to learn how to live with it.

Nope, they are not biological based. They are as much a product of the environment you live in. Most of these "mental illnesses" are products of modern society, an environment, that coupled with biology can induce the described human behavior. Chemicals in the brain and brain activity is just that, correlative. Like I said, you have volition, anything you do, whether it be raising your right hand or thinking about an apple will change the activity and neurotransmitters in your brain. There are people who can't even recognize other peoples faces. People who have no control over the movement of the left side of their body. People who can't form memories longer than a minute ago. Depression, OCD, ADHD are small time psychosomatic illnesses that any human could learn to overcome and in the case of Depression, learn to beat it. Keep making excuses.

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

I swear some people want to blame everything on mental health.

I'm not blaming everything on mental health breh. I'm saying mental health can fukk you up in ways that are hard to cope with. If you get intrusive thoughts tell you you're a failure that should kill themselves and you can't make the thoughts go away... you'll probably kill yourself.

 

[Poitier]

I'm not blaming everything on mental health breh. I'm saying mental health can fukk you up in ways that are hard to cope with. If you get intrusive thoughts tell you you're a failure that should kill themselves and you can't make the thoughts go away... you'll probably kill yourself.

No doubt. But it isn't biological. Maybe some people are more apt to think that way but I'd wager the environment plays a larger role. To use the whole brain activity/chemical argument, firefighters and serial killers have been shown to have similar characteristic traits, chemical responses to "living on the edge", etc... The difference? Their environment. We aren't robots. The people and places around us affect us. We aren't unconscious. We're self-aware to give us volition, not to excuse ourselves from destructive behavior.

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

Nope, they are not biological based. They are as much a product of the environment you live in. Most of these "mental illnesses" are products of modern society, an environment, that coupled with biology can induce the described human behavior. Chemicals in the brain and brain activity is just that, correlative. Like I said, you have volition, anything you do, whether it be raising your right hand or thinking about an apple will change the activity and neurotransmitters in your brain. There are people who can't even recognize other peoples faces. People who have no control over the movement of the left side of their body. People who can't form memories longer than a minute ago. Depression, OCD, ADHD are small time psychosomatic illnesses that any human could learn to overcome and in the case of Depression, learn to beat it. Keep making excuses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mental_disorders

There's evidence as far back as ancient Egyptian times that reference mental disorders.

 

[Pazzy]

Nope, they are not biological based. They are as much a product of the environment you live in. Most of these "mental illnesses" are products of modern society, an environment, that coupled with biology can induce the described human behavior. Chemicals in the brain and brain activity is just that, correlative. Like I said, you have volition, anything you do, whether it be raising your right hand or thinking about an apple will change the activity and neurotransmitters in your brain. There are people who can't even recognize other peoples faces. People who have no control over the movement of the left side of their body. People who can't form memories longer than a minute ago. Depression, OCD, ADHD are small time psychosomatic illnesses that any human could learn to overcome and in the case of Depression, learn to beat it. Keep making excuses.

yeah, SOME illnesses are environmentally based like that such as body dysmorphia.

however, a lot of mental conditions are biologically biased. they can be triggered from the environment or something else.

and how do you know that these conditions are beatable? do you even have a mental condition to even know what it's like to have one? if you don't, it would be best to not talk about it because you don't understand what it is. depression, ocd, adhd and etc are NOT small time psychosomatic illnesses. do you want to have ocd and depression to know what it feels like and see if you can control such mental illnesses where you can make them go away as your please? you obviously don't know how debilitating that shyt is. trust me on this as someone who has both. i've pretty much tried everything since i've dealt with both for a long time, took antidepressants as a last resort after finally getting a proper diagnosis and the pills still didn't work although it stopped the symptoms of the ocd. i still had to learn how to cope with the thing because i didn't know what it was like to live without ocd. it was difficult. went off the pills and yes. the ocd came back although i've been able to do certain things that my ocd wouldn't allow me to do without making me feel like total shyt where i was getting anxious and etc. same thing with depression. in fact, depression is even worse because it can manifest itself in different ways. i think what your problem is that you don't understand how certain mental disorders work. someone who has depression doesn't have to be in bed all day, crying and etc. someone that has ocd doesn't have to be washing their hands or arranging towels in a certain way. someone that has adhd doesn't have to be bouncing off the walls, hyper and etc. it's all about what happens upstairs.


not everybody is able to come out in one piece as the young lady proved that. maybe you need to learn how to develop some empathy and understanding before you start judging or ready to talk about other people's struggles that you can't relate to.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

You didn't read what I wrote. I said OCD, ADHD and Depression being totally "biological" is false. Everyone has deficits. Very few have deficits that can legitimately be blamed on genetics.

"Depression" isn't a thing, in the physical form. It isn't a virus or a disease. It's a group of characteristics of human behavior. You have literally no grasp on what you're discussing. Humans have volition.

You clearly have no respect for or grasp of the subject.

Like people are just supposed to get over it because you say they can.

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

No doubt. But it isn't biological. Maybe some people are more apt to think that way but I'd wager the environment plays a larger role. To use the whole brain activity/chemical argument, firefighters and serial killers have been shown to have similar characteristic traits, chemical responses to "living on the edge", etc... The difference? Their environment. We aren't robots. The people and places around us affect us. We aren't unconscious. We're self-aware to give us volition, not to excuse ourselves from destructive behavior.

You keep arguing that it's solely the environment. I'm not saying the environment doesn't play a role. I'm saying that chemistry also plays a role. You have no proof that it doesn't.

 

[Poitier]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mental_disorders

There's evidence as far back as ancient Egyptian times that reference mental disorders.

Ok. What is that a rebuttal to? I never said mental illness hasn't existed since the dawn of mankind. It shifts and shapes with the environment. The psychosomatic and mental disorders prevalent in today's world are of a different magnitude because we live in a different time. You're arguing that it's biological and thus people are slaves to it which is wrong, people can manage their deficits. Humans have the ability of self-awareness for a reason.

yeah, SOME illnesses are environmentally based like that such as body dysmorphia.

however, a lot of mental conditions are biologically biased. they can be triggered from the environment or something else.

and how do you know that these conditions are beatable? do you even have a mental condition to even know what it's like to have one? if you don't, it would be best to not talk about it because you don't understand what it is. depression, ocd, adhd and etc are NOT small time psychosomatic illnesses. do you want to have ocd and depression to know what it feels like? you obviously don't know how annoying and irritating that shyt is. not everybody is able to come out in one piece as the young lady proved that. maybe you need to learn how to develop some empathy and understanding before you start judging or ready to talk about other people's struggles that you can't relate to.

There isn't a "mental disorder" on this earth that is purely biological or environmental. Keep making excuses.

You keep arguing that it's solely the environment. I'm not saying the environment doesn't play a role. I'm saying that chemistry also plays a role. You have no proof that it doesn't.

Never said that. You're also not understanding that chemistry is reciprocal with conscious thought. It's correlative. It's one of the biggest hurdles in modern cognitive science. Brain activity and chemistry help us identify relationships, not find antecedents.

You clearly have no respect for or grasp of the subject.

Like people are just supposed to get over it because you say they can.

Ok, breh. I have a degree in Psych, worked in cog neuro labs, and studied under some of the leaders in Personality Psych. Keep spewing babble.

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

Ok. What is that a rebuttal to? I never said mental illness hasn't existed since the dawn of mankind. It shifts and shapes with the environment. The psychosomatic and mental disorders prevalent in today's world are of a different magnitude because we live in a different time. You're arguing that it's biological and thus people are slaves to it which is wrong, people can manage their deficits. Humans have the ability of self-awareness for a reason.

Nope, they are not biological based. They are as much a product of the environment you live in. Most of these "mental illnesses" are products of modern society, an environment, that coupled with biology can induce the described human behavior. Chemicals in the brain and brain activity is just that, correlative. Like I said, you have volition, anything you do, whether it be raising your right hand or thinking about an apple will change the activity and neurotransmitters in your brain. There are people who can't even recognize other peoples faces. People who have no control over the movement of the left side of their body. People who can't form memories longer than a minute ago. Depression, OCD, ADHD are small time psychosomatic illnesses that any human could learn to overcome and in the case of Depression, learn to beat it. Keep making excuses.

 

[Poitier]

Did you read the part directly after that "an environment, that coupled with biology can induce the described human behavior "

As for the modern mental illnesses, I stand by that. Were there mental illness in Ancient times? Sure. Were they the same things that seem prevalent in contemporary society? Nope.

 

[ShaneTheRogue]

Did you read the part directly after that "an environment, that coupled with biology can induce the described human behavior "

As for the modern mental illnesses, I stand by that. Were there mental illness in Ancient times? Sure. Were they the same things that seem prevalent in contemporary society? Nope.

You work in psychology. So please post evidence to back up your claims. Your degree and the fact you work in labs should make this easy.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

You didn't read what I wrote. I said OCD, ADHD and Depression being totally "biological" is false. Everyone has deficits. Very few have deficits that can legitimately be blamed on genetics.




"Depression" isn't a thing, in the physical form. It isn't a virus or a disease. It's a group of characteristics of human behavior. You have literally no grasp on what you're discussing. Humans have volition.

You are incorrect.

These disorders you mention are absolutely based in biology. They are, however, incredibly over-diagnosed.