Joe Biden wasn't good for the down-ballot

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Bernie couldn't even beat Biden how would he have beat trump :dahell:

Bernie was running against the entire democratic establishment. Then he had to go against Warren. If Biden won the nomination, the only way he loses is if the DNC and other centrist democrats failed to educate voters on his policies.
 

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Are you making this up as you're typing?
What is going to push Biden over the top appears to be voters in PA.

Trump carries the state in 2016, and part of what Biden brought to the table was that he was more relatable to voters in key states. Trump's "Us" and "them" tactics were neutralized with Biden as his opponent.

What basis do you say that she would/could have carried PA?
Whatever milquetoast moderates he picked up in middle PA would have been exchanged for an even more fired up suburb/inner city. He doesnt even need PA as of right now. Like I said, this election was driven by Trump and deep blue regions so the "Us" vs "Them" tactic worked, just so happens it was more of "them" than "us" (from his perspective)
 

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Bernie was running against the entire democratic establishment. Then he had to go against Warren. If Biden won the nomination, the only way he loses is if the DNC and other centrist democrats failed to educate voters on his policies.
:gucci: you could literally give all Warren's voters to Bernie he still wouldn't win im confused what you're trying to argue. You mad because similar candidates with similar policies decided they weren't viable? Voters voted, and Biden won in significant margins. Y'all sounded like Trump supporters :mjlol: same grift
 

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If a progressive Democrat got these results - Win the White house, lose seats in the House and didnt flip the Senate - you would never hear the end of how terribly they performed. You would never hear the end of how "socialist" policies ruined a great chance to have House, Senate, White House. There isnt a person out there that voted for Biden that wouldnt have voted for Warren in a General election this year.

This dude Biden was too scared to even promise to expand the Supreme Court and they wonder why they couldnt get enough support to win the Senate. :dead:

Cant complain too much because my candidate (Warren) got eviscerated in the primaries because too many centrists want republican support instead of "those scary socialists in my own party". Im happy we got the white house. Its an incredible feat to unseat an incumbent but I think Trump was the driving force, not so much Biden.
Trump did everything-fukking-thing-catastrophically-wrong for 4 years and got 7 million more votes than he did in 2016. He got the 2nd most votes of any president in political history and he basically told MAGAs not to vote by mail. He was the driving force of both parties.

Congrats to Biden/Harris though.

That first word if is the operative word of your entire rant :unimpressed:.

Right about Trump being the driving force of his own unseating as POTUS. Wrong about rolling out a progressive in this climate with four years of State Sponsored TV on Fox News attacking the current progressive icons.

We keep underestimating the power of the right wing media in national and state politics in this country.

Trump and conservative media have demonized AOC, Warren, Ilhan, etc. It was probably what scared those independents casting their ballot from giving democrats all the keys to power.

2016 was the year to sneak someone in just like Trump snuck in there but Bernie got screwed.:manny:.

Lookin back on it and wat I know now, a candidate like Biden was the only viable option to beat Trump this cycle. These four years have been exhausting and 2020 was the cherry on top and the Trump presidency has been the definition of chaos.

Democrats will probably get trounced in the midterms but there was no other options this cycle breh.
 
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:gucci: you could literally give all Warren's voters to Bernie he still wouldn't win im confused what you're trying to argue. You made because similar candidates with similar policies decided that weren't viable? Voters voted, and Biden won. Y'all sounded like Trump supporters :mjlol: same grift
The majority of Dems are scared to go blue because they believe the base would be alienated. This just isnt true based on policies. Most of the things the "far left" pushes are supported heavily by the voters. I respect what Joe was able to do. Its incredibly hard to unseat a incumbent but this election was more anti-Trump than anything. The down ballot shows that.
 

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:gucci: you could literally give all Warren's voters to Bernie he still wouldn't win im confused what you're trying to argue. You mad because similar candidates with similar policies decided that weren't viable? Voters voted, and Biden won in significant margins. Y'all sounded like Trump supporters :mjlol: same grift

Warren was insignificant in the grand scheme of things. The DNC and the Democratic Party as a whole, did everything they could to undermine and stop Sanders going back to the last election. Not just sanders but the entire progressive movement. They endorsed opponents of progressives even if they were incumbents.

Older democrats were dissuaded from supporting Sanders over fear he would lose. The DNC has been pouring cold water on the progressive movement for years. It is what it is. Sanders wasn't going to be the nominee no matter what.
 

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The majority of Dems are scared to go blue because they believe the base would be alienated. This just isnt true based on policies. Most of the things the "far left" pushes are supported heavily by the voters. I respect what Joe was able to do. Its incredibly hard to unseat a incumbent but this election was more anti-Trump than anything. The down ballot shows that.

You can't say this election is nothing but anti Trump when Trump is about to gather 70m+ votes.

So which one is it:

Trump a great candidate who helped with massive gains down ballot ( 2018 vs 2020) or Biden a bad candidate that benefited from Trump :ehh:
 

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That first word if is the operative word of your entire rant :unimpressed:.

Right about Trump being the driving force of his own unseating as POTUS. Wrong about rolling out a progressive in this climate with four years of State Sponsored TV on Fox News attacking the current progressive icons.

Trump and conservative media have demonized AOC, Warren, Ilhan, etc. It was probably what scared those independents casting their ballotd from giving democrats all the keys to power.

2016 was the year to sneak someone in just like Trump snuck in there but Bernie got screwed.:manny:.

Lookin back on it and wat I know now, a candidate like Biden was the only viable option to beat Trump this cycle. These four years have been exhausting and 2020 was the cherry on top and he has been tge definition of chaos.

Democrats will probably get trounced in the midterms but there was no other options this cycle breh.
We always say this though. It never seems like the right time to go left. Every single election its "this is the most important one, cant risk it" We came from slavery bro, this party should be going big and its disheartening to see black people afraid to go big. We have 5 million more votes than them and are scared to go big. We have all the major cities on lock and are scared to go big. We have all the metro areas and financial districts and are scared to go big. All dems are seen as socialists to the right. In their eyes, Biden is a hair farther right than AOC. The democrats have to stop running from the strength of their base every primary election, then praying every general election that the major deep blue cities bail them out again. Its disrespectful as fukk.
 

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You can't say this election is nothing but anti Trump when Trump is about to gather 70m+ votes.

So which one is it:

Trump a great candidate who helped with massive gains down ballot ( 2018 vs 2020) or Biden a bad candidate that benefited from Trump :ehh:
My error: This election is all about Trump: pro vs anti
 

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That was the danger of running an only "anti-Trump" campaign instead of "the GOP needs to go, and we need *insert policies* in place" campaign. Get rid of Trump and replace it with what? A lot of voters are perfectly fine with getting rid of Trump, but keeping Republicans in the Senate. :manny:
Incumbent years rarely have large shifts In Congressional power. It’s the midterms that most people don’t bother with that grandpa and grandma racist hand over power.

Which wakes up the other side in the presidential year.
 

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We always say this though. It never seems like the right time to go left. Every single election its "this is the most important one, cant risk it" We came from slavery bro, this party should be going big and its disheartening to see black people afraid to go big. We have 5 million more votes than them and are scared to go big. We have all the major cities on lock and are scared to go big. We have all the metro areas and financial districts and are scared to go big. All dems are seen as socialists to the right. In their eyes, Biden is a hair farther right than AOC. The democrats have to stop running from the strength of their base every primary election, then praying every general election that the major deep blue cities bail them out again. Its disrespectful as fukk.
2024 represents a clear opportunity, both sides (dems and repubs) will be seeking a candidate, progressive policies are now mainstream and supported...hopefully, the right personality emerges to make the left viable. bernie wasn't it

edit: nor was my girl warren :sad:
 
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