Joe Biden’s brilliant critique of Medicare for all has made me rethink my position

[the cac mamba]

It's not even far left. The right-left window is shifted so far right in this country that giving healthcare to people is basically oppressive leftist ideoology according to people like you

am i allowed to question the idea that the US government can effectively provide medicare for all to 330 million people? or is anyone who questions that just a conservative! republican! trump voter! racist!

?

 

[the cac mamba]

Tax the rest of them.

i'll be voting for candidates who propose higher taxes on the rich, and cuts to the military

in the meantime, i won't be letting alexandria ocasio cortez lead me off a cliff like a lemming. there's a medium approach

 

[Secure Da Bag]

am i allowed to question the idea that the US government can effectively provide medicare for all to 330 million people? or is anyone who questions that just a conservative! republican! trump voter! racist!

?

You're also allowed to tell us why you don't think the U.S. can't provide M4A for 330M people. Just them, leave the immigrants out of it for now.

there's a medium approach

The medium approach led us here.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

I did not. Read slower next time.

I said the country is not as far left as some progressives want to believe.

That is different than saying this country isn't far left as progressives want to believe.

Ok and did i not say then that "prividing healthcare to people is somehow far left in this country because this country is shifted so far right?"

Alright..we're all good here. We're arguing semantics.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

i'll be voting for candidates who propose higher taxes on the rich, and cuts to the military

in the meantime, i won't be letting alexandria ocasio cortez lead me off a cliff like a lemming. there's a medium approach

AOC's tax proposals are what the tax rates were before reagan. there's nothing radical about her positions. Like i was saying to the other guy this country is so far right anymore that her proposals are somehow crazy.

 

[the cac mamba]

But your focus was on immigration and you basically said, "we're full" as part of your argument. The U.S. having 330M people is irrelevant to the conversation as M4A could cover all of those people. And be honest, you'd make the same argument if there were 30M people in the U.S. You think illegal immigration will break M4A or any type of universal healthcare.

my focus was not on immigration, it was a supplementary point. what you're doing right now is lying

US has 330 million. Japan has 126 million and they have single payer.

So it seems the cutoff in population for whether or not single payer can function is somewhere between 126 million and 330 million.

That and Mexicans.

yeah, 180 percent more population is nothing to sneeze at. jesus christ

anyway, here's some light reading

Japan: What are the challenges facing the second largest healthcare system in the world? - TforG - an IQVIA company

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

sure, right after you quote me saying this

It seems perhaps I was giving you too much credit. I thought that’s essentially the case you were making. If you weren’t, then you’re just saying you don’t want Medicare for all because you don’t want immigrants getting healthcare. Just be honest about it.

 

[the cac mamba]

AOC's tax proposals are what the tax rates were before.reagan. there's nothing radical about her positions. Like i was saying to the other guy this country is so far right anymore that her proposals are somehow crazy.

this is not the same country it was before reagan, and it's not facing the same level of debt and challenges let's not pretend like AOC knows what the fukk she's talking about. anyone can say "tax the rich" for a few seal-claps from the left

 

[the cac mamba]

It seems perhaps I was giving you too much credit. I thought that’s essentially the case you were making. If you weren’t, then you’re just saying you don’t want Medicare for all because you don’t want immigrants getting healthcare. Just be honest about it.

i said i don't see the government being able to take care of the numbers, and on top of that we have X amount of people a year show up at the border who will have to be taken in and given this care while contributing little. i pointed out that no other country has that level of immigrants and illegals, while providing medicare for all. the bolded is not my opinion, it's a fact

your identity arguments are just embarrassing.

 

[Pressure]

Ok and did i not say then that "prividing healthcare to people is somehow far left in this country because this country is shifted so far right?"

Alright..we're all good here. We're arguing semantics.

And we agree that providing Healthcare in this country is considered far left socialism even though it isn't.

Just to be clear, I don't think Joe Biden is a good candidate, but he seems representative of a large portion of Democrats.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

my focus was not on immigration, it was a supplementary point. what you're doing right now is lying

yeah, 180 percent more population is nothing to sneeze at. jesus christ

anyway, here's some light reading

Japan: What are the challenges facing the second largest healthcare system in the world? - TforG - an IQVIA company

So where’s the cutoff point to which single payer goes from functional universal healthcare to unworkable disaster? 200 million? 250 million? Or do you measure by the square root of the number of Mexicans?

 

[the cac mamba]

So where’s the cutoff point to which single payer goes from functional universal healthcare to unworkable disaster? 200 million? 250 million? Or do you measure by the square root of the number of Mexicans?

it seems to be more like 50 million canada, your nordic countries. no one is envious of japan's healthcare system

and i don't think you wanna tout japan while simultaneously projecting that i only want a homogenous country

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

it seems to be more like 50 million canada, your nordic countries. no one is envious of japan's healthcare system

and i don't think you wanna tout japan while simultaneously projecting that i only want a homogenous country

Let's ask the multiple beggars i have to walk by everyday on the street. I think they're jealous of it.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

i said i don't see the government being able to take care of the numbers, and on top of that we have X amount of people a year show up at the border who will have to be taken in and given this care while contributing little. i pointed out that no other country has that level of immigrants and illegals, while providing medicare for all. the bolded is not my opinion, it's a fact

your identity arguments are just embarrassing.

How do you define “not being able,” and what evidence do you have that the cost to Medicare incurred by coverage of immigrants would be enough cause the system to be unworkable?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Argue against M4A in 2019 brehs.