Joe Rogan is Pissing Everyone off with his Anti Vax talk

[Prodyson]

Well technically, Rogan’s is kinda right, but saying it wrong.
The vaccine doesn’t directly cause mutations. Mutations occur naturally by chance. However, the presence of the vaccine in the ecosystem will impact natural selection in the original virus and the mutations that are resistant to the vaccine will increase in the ecosystem as the numbers of transmission in the original virus decrease making the variant resistant strain become the dominant strain the ecosystem because the resistant ones still have the ability to be transmitted.

This is why there’s a new flu shot every year because viruses adapt to the environment just like organisms. Same thing with pesticides, that’s why they have to make stronger pesticides every couple years because the resistant “pests” become the dominant mutation and a new pesticide has to be created to combat the resistant pests. And so on and so forth.

Harsh to say, but If we just let everyone whose supposed to die, die through natural selection there would be no need for a vaccine and no emergence of a variant to then therefore need a stronger or booster vaccine . And the human population will be stronger as a whole because of it.

Eliminating the vaccine doesn’t completely eliminate mutations, even if your main point is accurate. There were mutations before a vaccine existed. And depending on how deadly these new strains become, you might end losing a much larger portion population than you’d like

 

[Mowgli]

I pick you up in my plane and decide I don't want it anymore and jump out with a parachute in mid air. It's my plane. I do what I want with it.

Abortion in a nutshell

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Wouldn't the virus linger longer with vaccines that are showing signs of being ineffective against mutations as opposed to the natural resistance you develop after catching and overcoming Covid which studies are showing are more effective against mutations?

Why do you just ignore the fact that for everyone to get the "natural immunity" requires millions to die first?

Unvaccinated people have to risk death to get your "better protection". For vaccinated people, best case scenario is that they're completely protected and worse case scenario is they get sick but almost certainly won't die and now they DO have the natural immunity on top of vaccine protection.

You're comparing the SECOND time that unvaccinated people get sick to the FIRST time that vaccinated people get sick while completely ignoring the consequences of that first illness in the unvaccinated.




Notice you're also ignoring the bottom of your own link:

Dr. William Hanage, an associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said that it is “impossible” to know whether the COVID vaccine or natural immunity is more protective against the virus due to the lack of knowledge regarding the level of protection natural immunity gives a person over time. Reinfection occurs in about 10% of people after having contracted the virus as a result of a decrease in immunity overtime.

 

[Fillerguy]

Thread devolved into "nikka" saying Hitler had some good point, the pro-vac are white liberals and abortion is comparable to an infectious disease. Im glad I dont run into you ppl IRL, I'd be fighting everyday.

- im not going to adress the Hitler shyt
- even if that white liberal shytbis true, 4 billion ppl are vaccinated....did the liberals push their propaganda to places like Russia, UAE and Singapore??
- I actually approve of this take. Abortion are like diseases. And luke any disease, women should have the right to cure themselves of it>>>> I got in trouble on a college paper for this take. Its nice to see the world has caught up to me

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity

No......​

Coronavirus Disease 2019
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In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

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The study of hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021 found that those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. The findings suggest that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.

Additionally, a second publication from MMWR shows vaccines prevented COVID-19 related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups. As cases, hospitalizations, and deaths rise, the data in today’s MMWR reinforce that COVID-19 vaccines are the best way to prevent COVID-19.

 

[Geordi]

Take medical advice from Joe Rogan brehs

 

[Troublesome]

No......​

Coronavirus Disease 2019
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In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections.

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The study of hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021 found that those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. The findings suggest that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.

Additionally, a second publication from MMWR shows vaccines prevented COVID-19 related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups. As cases, hospitalizations, and deaths rise, the data in today’s MMWR reinforce that COVID-19 vaccines are the best way to prevent COVID-19.

Thanks for posting. I hadn't come across this article. Curious why these studies are conflicting. Would like to know more about this.

 

[B86]

Joe ain't forcing people to NOT take the vaccine. What's the big deal if he’s skeptical? We all gotta believe in the government that's not telling us the origin of the virus, but not listen to the man that has notes of Faucci lying to the public ?

I was just saying in another thread how Trump was recorded talking about the virus MONTHS before the public found out. Yet and still somehow people are still perfectly okay with their logic that the government isn't hiding anything and that everything is all good with these vaccines...

History books; lied to. Going to war for "weapons of mass destruction"; lied to. Virus spreading through the world but nobody knows until months later; lied to. Vaccines come out and nikkas say everything is all good? How fukkin retarded do people have to be?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Thanks for posting. I hadn't come across this article. Curious why these studies are conflicting. Would like to know more about this.

They don't conflict. As far as I can determine, Dr. Makary's primary concern is vaccinating children so his data focuses on a smaller group within the population. The other studies focus on the population in-general.​

 

[Troublesome]

Why do you just ignore the fact that for everyone to get the "natural immunity" requires millions to die first?

Unvaccinated people have to risk death to get your "better protection". For vaccinated people, best case scenario is that they're completely protected and worse case scenario is they get sick but almost certainly won't die and now they DO have the natural immunity on top of vaccine protection.

You're comparing the SECOND time that unvaccinated people get sick to the FIRST time that vaccinated people get sick while completely ignoring the consequences of that first illness in the unvaccinated.




Notice you're also ignoring the bottom of your own link:

Dr. William Hanage, an associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said that it is “impossible” to know whether the COVID vaccine or natural immunity is more protective against the virus due to the lack of knowledge regarding the level of protection natural immunity gives a person over time. Reinfection occurs in about 10% of people after having contracted the virus as a result of a decrease in immunity overtime.

The bottom of the link was information from a differnt doctor. Doesn't make it wrong, just means that doctor doesn't feel comfortable enough to say one way is better than the other (which is understandable).

Also, I'm not ignoring the fact that people will die. Imo, that's the unfortunate result of going through a pandemic. My concern with relying on vaccines means there will always be a segment of the population that will be unvaccinated and will be at risk for spreading the virus and enabling mutations (underage kids, people who don't have the means to keep up with boosters).

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I was just saying in another thread how Trump was recorded talking about the virus MONTHS before the public found out. Yet and still somehow people are still perfectly okay with their logic that the government isn't hiding anything and that everything is all good with these vaccines...

If there was 'something up' with the vaccines, why were "The Elites" getting it first? As far as the Government being capable of hiding something of that magnitude, consider that Bill Clinton couldn't even get a blowjob without the whole world knowing. That was just 2 people. More people involved in a cover-up = less likely to remain secret.​

 

[Won Won]

Well technically, Rogan’s is kinda right, but saying it wrong.
The vaccine doesn’t directly cause mutations. Mutations occur naturally by chance. However, the presence of the vaccine in the ecosystem will impact natural selection in the original virus and the mutations that are resistant to the vaccine will increase in the ecosystem as the numbers of transmission in the original virus decrease making the variant resistant strain become the dominant strain the ecosystem because the resistant ones still have the ability to be transmitted.

This is why there’s a new flu shot every year because viruses adapt to the environment just like organisms. Same thing with pesticides, that’s why they have to make stronger pesticides every couple years because the resistant “pests” become the dominant mutation and a new pesticide has to be created to combat the resistant pests. And so on and so forth.

Harsh to say, but If we just let everyone whose supposed to die, die through natural selection there would be no need for a vaccine and no emergence of a variant to then therefore need a stronger or booster vaccine . And the human population will be stronger as a whole because of it.

Remember when the anti-vax crew was very concerned about people dying for about a week because it was used as a “gotcha” for those that are pro-vax?

Went from “Covid deaths are just old people, who cares?” to “why are liberals happy with people dying?” and all the way back to “natural selection, let people die for the betterment of society”

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Also, I'm not ignoring the fact that people will die. Imo, that's the unfortunate result of going through a pandemic. My concern with relying on vaccines means there will always be a segment of the population that will be unvaccinated and will be at risk for spreading the virus and enabling mutations (underage kids, people who don't have the means to keep up with boosters).

Breh, human diversity, by itself, prevents ALL medication from being 100% effective/safe for 100% of the population. You can only protect the largest amount of people you can while causing the least harm.

Vaccines do that exceptionally well.​

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

If there was 'something up' with the vaccines, why were "The Elites" getting it first? As far as the Government being capable of hiding something of that magnitude, consider that Bill Clinton couldn't even get a blowjob without the whole world knowing. That was just 2 people. More people involved in a cover-up = less likely to remain secret.​

Sheeit

Being a whistle blower against Pfizer or Moderna right now after all of their sales would have your whole bloodline set for generations

 

[SadimirPutin]

I dont lose sleep over it.....most of those people are idiots already anyway