I guess Billy Donovan and Tom Izzo are also overrated
And Coach K
John Calipari Is Overrated
- Thread starter Big Boss
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And Coach K
Dudes can't wait to shyt on Calipari's coaching when he trips up but when he does some impressive shyt they wanna turn around and not give him any credit for bringing his boys up, lol. Never seen a college ball coach get treated like Cal has, dude literally CANT WIN with people. If he pulled off that title win last night (that was his second appearance in three years by the way), the same dudes who talk about how experienced squads always trump AAU talent, Cal can't win against X squad etc. would be copping pleas talking about "well how could he lose with all that talent?!"
3 FF's in 4 years but Calipari cant coach
To compare, Jim Boeheim, one of the best X and O coaches ever(since everybody seems to love X and O's so much) has 1 chip and 4 Final Fours in 38 years. In 4 years at UK Calipari has damn near matched Boeheim's entire postseason career, guess which one of the two gets heat for not being a good coach though?At a certain point you gotta put personal feelings about dude aside and look at facts objectively, that's always been the problem with people when it comes to Calipari.
2 of your last 3 championship games been brought to you courtesy of Lexington, Kentucky but he overrated
there aint a dap-fishing reactionary post or smiley in the world that can hide you from the facts
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ok, and? what does that have to do with what i said?...we were talking about the talent he's getting year in/out in comparison to other schools....
also, yea, he's not the one shooting the free throws...but you would think after these years of him losing cause his teams couldnt shoot free throws, you'd think he'd have them work on that, right?.....
like i said, i dont think he's overrated cause i dont think he gets high praise for being a system, x & o's, etc. kinda coach...he gets high praise for being a recruiter and motivator, which i think is well deserved...
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
How do you know he's not working on that with them? I'm generalizing, but one drawback of these super athletic one-and-dones is that they typically lack certain fundamentals. Free throw shooting would likely be something they'd need more than one season to really refine.
It's like dude said above. Whenever they lose, he sucks because they're so talented. If they win, they're "supposed" to win.
Cal is 1 of only 2 coaches in the history of college basketball to take 3 teams to the FF. There's nothing overrated about that, kids. Cats are in here judging X and O's like they actually could discern this for real. His decision to go zone with 5:00 left in the first half (something they've rarely done at all this year) was what changed the game. Seth Davis and Grant Hill said it was "genius", but The Coli once again knows best
Ben Howland had a three year stretch in which his teams went 97-17, and went to 3 straight Final Fours. Interesting how "brilliant" a coach can look when he has significant NBA talent year in and year out. It's no coincidence that as Howland lost his grip on the local recruiting scene, UCLA's record fell off a cliff, and he was forced out.
North Carolina hasn't had 30 years of sustained excellence because of a legacy of coaching savants, just as dook - for as smart a coach I believe Coach Kampf to be - hasn't dominated the ACC for so long simply because K is "a leader of men." Talent usually wins. Winning with a talent advantage doesn't make you a great coach, it means you're at least an adequate one. I've played the game at a high level, and I've coached before (not at a high level). It's not easy to seaparate an adequate coach from a good coach, but it is easy to spot brilliant coaches and bad coaches. You mention Boeheim, but I've never thought he was a brilliant coach. He's somewhat inflexible and his in-game adjustments aren't impressive when tourney time comes around. He rode a once-in-a-lifetime player to a title, and he lost some big games with loaded squads, including a historic first round loss and a championship loss to an Indiana team that had less talent but a smarter coach (I have never liked Bobby Knight, but the man sure as fukk could coach).
Bill Guthridge wasn't winning 30 games and making Final Four runs because he soaked up Dean Smith's coaching genius. He had freshmen and sophomores like Vince Carter and Antawn Jamison on his team. If you don't win 12-14 ACC games with that talent, and don't make a Final Four, your season is a failure, sorry. A talent advantage isn't some minor thing - it's the thing. Kentucky didn't beat Witchita State because Cal devised the gameplan of the century, they won because of NBA level size and talent. They had the more talented team. Almost every game they played during their tournament run, they had 3 or 4 of the best or biggest 5 players on the floor when the game tipped.
You can't give Cal credit for this tourney run, yet give him no blame at all for a shytty regular season, or for that pathetic NIT campaign (including a first round NIT loss). That's absurd. At least I'm reasonable enough to give him credit for the run to the title game this year. Coach Cal proponents have developed a ridiculous system of raionalizations that blame players for all failures, and credit Cal for all successes.
Two coaches who do stand out as a cut above the rest - to me at least - are Belein at Michigan and Smart at VCU. You can see their coaching acumen in the sets they run, in how the offense and defense changes at different points of the game, depending on who they're playing and how they're playing. You can see it in things as simple yet as crucial as out of bounds plays, and especially late game plays. I've seen VCU run plays with under 10 seconds left in games that were brilliant, even when they failed.
I don't think Cal is a bad coach. Rick Barnes is a bad coach. His mismanagement of talent is profound. Drew at Baylor is a bad coach for the same reason. He brings in NBA level talent and NBA level athleticism, and consistently underachieves. Cal at least gets plenty out of his talent and athleticism. I don't know how anyone can look at that loss to WVU - which had what exactly? Butler, Ebanks, and Truck Bryant's bum ass? - and not view that as an embarassing loss given the amount of talent on that Kentucky team. Nor do I know how someone can point to his one title as proof of coaching genius. He had a guy who, two seasons into his NBA career, is already being heralded as the next great NBA player. And he surrounded that uniquely dominant two-way player with NBA talent and athleticism at every other position. Unless you're a horrible coach, you're supposed to fukking win with that team.
How do you know he's not working on that with them? I'm generalizing, but one drawback of these super athletic one-and-dones is that they typically lack certain fundamentals. Free throw shooting would likely be something they'd need more than one season to really refine.
It's like dude said above. Whenever they lose, he sucks because they're so talented. If they win, they're "supposed" to win.
Cal is 1 of only 2 coaches in the history of college basketball to take 3 teams to the FF. There's nothing overrated about that, kids. Cats are in here judging X and O's like they actually could discern this for real. His decision to go zone with 5:00 left in the first half (something they've rarely done at all this year) was what changed the game. Seth Davis and Grant Hill said it was "genius", but The Coli once again knows best
man just stop...i know he's coaching the school you root for, but come on...you're ignoring history trying to defend the man....you can work on free throws...it's called repetition...shoot them more in practice...it's not that hard...it doesnt matter how long he has the players, when you lose however many big games cause your team cant shoot free throws, that should become a major point of emphasis to work on with the next group that comes in...
as for saying he sucks, no one said that...when this team wasnt doing well this season, he didnt get the blame, the players did...people said they were being selfish and underachieving cause they were more worried about the league....when they started doing better, cal got most the credit...people said he finally reached them and got them to buy into whatever he told them....
true, he has taken 3 different schools to the final four, but that goes right along with the point that he is an excellent recruiter and motivator...the guy always has talent on his team, whether legally or illegally...yall talking like he's talking a bunch of scrubs to the final four...since memphis, he's had one of the top 5 recruiting classes year in/out...i'm not saying he has to win it all every year, but at the least he better win some games and have a damn good record with that collection of talent, which he does...and i give him credit for that...
to continue on the last point, as for him being this great coach, his results show he's not....i dont think he sucks, i think he's just an avg x & os type coach...i mean, the fact that he hasnt won more than 1 ship with the talent he's collected over the years shows that his coaching is limited....no one is saying the coli knows best...i'm not speaking for the coli, i'm speaking for myself...that mightve been a smart call, but he's still an avg coach to me...talking about last night, you realize uk never had the lead last night, right? even when they were only down by 1-3 points multiple times in the second half, they never got over the hump once to get the lead for a sec...you telling me he couldnt call something to do that?....come on...
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Cal gets really talented kids to play defense and lets them do whatever the hell they want on offense. In terms of getting them ready for the NBA as quickly as possible, that's actually a really good philosophy.
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
I don't root for Kentucky. History?
If anyone else had his resume, you'd say he was a 1st ballot HOFer. He doesn't get that respect because he's too good at recruiting. I don't even know why i'm in here defending this. It just seems absurd that he's supposed to win a ship every year or else be considered a failure. No coach has ever had that expectation.
SHAQAVELLI
We Are Penn State
I despise him, but he's a coach and obviously an exceptional recruiter.
ok...the history of his teams losing cause of not being able to shoot free throws...after awhile you'd figure he'd focus on that......
he probably will be a hof, no one is questioning that...but if anyone else had his resume, people would start questioning the coaching because of all the talent he gets year in/out...he gets respect, but people that defend him want people to say he's a great coach, and if you don't, you disrespecting him, being a hater, etc....and I've said plenty of times, no ones expects him to win every year....but go look at the talent this man has had in his coaching career (not just at uk), and tell me you don't think he should have more than 1 ship?...personally, I think he's an avg coach and an exceptional recruiter...the best recruiter, period...if that's disrespectful, so be it...
Slaimon Khan Shah
SLAIMON KHAN SHAH = SHAOLIN MONK/S OF ISLAAM
May God guide Calipari to Islam.
Piff Perkins
Veteran
Calipari with some suspect plays towards the end. Ultimately Wisconsin won in the paint. They out-rebounded Kentucky, which I didn't see coming at all.
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
Lost almost 1,000 bucks the last two final four's fukking with Coach Cal. fukking letdown 