John Kerry: Assad Can Stay.

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News from The Associated Press

MOSCOW (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin. A major international conference on Syria would take place later this week in New York, Kerry announced.

Kerry reiterated the U.S. position that Assad, accused by the West of massive human rights violations and chemical weapons attacks, won't be able to steer Syria out of more than four years of conflict.

But after a day of discussions with Assad's key international backer, Kerry said the focus now is "not on our differences about what can or cannot be done immediately about Assad." Rather, it is on facilitating a peace process in which "Syrians will be making decisions for the future of Syria."

Kerry's declarations crystallized the evolution in U.S. policy on Assad over the last several months, as the Islamic State group's growing influence in the Middle East has taken priority.

President Barack Obama first called on Assad to leave power in the summer of 2011, with "Assad must go" being a consistent rallying cry. Later, American officials allowed that he wouldn't have to resign on "Day One" of a transition. Now, no one can say when Assad might step down.

Russia, by contrast, has remained consistent in its view that no foreign government could demand Assad's departure and that Syrians would have to negotiate matters of leadership among themselves. Since late September, it has been bombing terrorist and rebel targets in Syria as part of what the West says is an effort to prop up Assad's government.

"No one should be forced to choose between a dictator and being plagued by terrorists," Kerry said. However, he described the Syrian opposition's demand that Assad must leave as soon as peace talks begin as a "nonstarting position, obviously."

Earlier Tuesday in the Kremlin, Putin noted several "outstanding issues" between Russia and its former Cold War foe. Beyond Assad, these include which rebel groups in Syria should be allowed to participate in the transition process and which should be deemed terrorists, and like the Islamic State group and al-Qaida, combatted by all.

Jordan is working on finalizing the list of terrorist vs. legitimate opposition forces. Representatives of Syria's opposition themselves hope this week to finalize their negotiating team for talks with Assad's government. The U.S., Russia and others hope those talks will begin early next year.

Appearing beside Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov hailed what he described as a "big negotiating day," saying the sides advanced efforts to define what a Syrian transition process might look like.

The two countries also have split on Ukraine since Russia's annexation of the Crimea region last year and its ongoing, though diminished, support for separatist rebels in the east of the country. The U.S. has pressed severe economic sanctions against Russia in response and has insisted that Moscow's actions have left it isolated.

That wasn't the case on Tuesday.

"We don't seek to isolate Russia as a matter of policy, no," Kerry said. The sooner Russia implements a February cease-fire that calls for withdrawal of Russian forces and materiel and a release of all prisoners, he said, the sooner that "sanctions can be rolled back."

The world is better off when Russia and the U.S. work together, he added, calling Obama and Putin's current cooperation a "sign of maturity."

"There is no policy of the United States, per se, to isolate Russia," Kerry stressed.
 

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this shyt is all bad cause Assad staying is gonna cause EVEN MORE disdain in the region. :snoop:

Russia just doesn't want to not have their own cards at play...but Assad staying is gonna fukk shyt up for a long time to come.
 

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Assad has lost a lot of power, territory, and legitimacy but the regime still controls 30% of Syria's land, and at least 50%-60% of the population.

100% of Syria's Christians, Druze, Alawi, Ismails support the government, you also have the Kurds who are neutral or allied to him. The Syrian Arab army is still full of Sunni Muslims, including the officers and general staff.

It's not black and white, the picture painted for you is very different to reality.

Is Assad's regime evil? Yes, have they committed mass murder and human rights violations and so have the opposition and the 250,000 dead presented to you are those that died from the conflict as a whole, including government troops and civilians.

Like them or not, the Russians are the only party that has some sort of plan. Of course they're only looking for their self interests and Syria is their ally. They don't want Syria broken up and they want to put it back together. They are still salty over Libya and are turned off by the fact that a country's existence can be broken up on any whim.

The vision for Syria is a negotiated settlement and future free elections like those in Angola and Mozambique, where there were multiple armed factions that had to compromise and fight through the ballot box.

The Europeans, our govt, and Gulf Arabs don't care. If left to their own devices, you will see Syria like Somalia, dozens of factions each holding territory and ISIS trying to swallow them up all, and the use of NATO troops to stop them and be Peacekeepers/occupiers like Afghanistan. You will have a failed state and civil war and war against NATO for decades.
 

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So the west helps creates ISIS because they wanted to topple Assad and his government; Then that same created group ( ISIS) ends up being a bigger problem than Assad, and turns on us. So now we need Assad to stay, because him and Putin will help get rid of a group we helped create? :lolbron:How embarrassing!
 

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So the west helps creates ISIS because they wanted to topple Assad and his government; Then that same created group ( ISIS) ends up being a bigger problem than Assad, and turns on us. So now we need Assad to stay, because him and Putin will help get rid of a group we helped create? :lolbron:How embarrassing!
the west didn't "create" isis...they're a remnant of an ultimately radical sect of an ancient religion...stop giving the West that much credit.

We might exploit existing groups but to say "create" is vastly ignorant of realities used to create uprisings.
 

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the west didn't "create" isis...they're a remnant of an ultimately radical sect of an ancient religion...stop giving the West that much credit.

We might exploit existing groups but to say "create" is vastly ignorant of realities used to create uprisings.

Our views of create just differ. When I say create, I'm alluding to the fact, that they can't and could not form into prominence without western influence. I believe You're talking about their ideological formation, which is fair; but to call my definition of creation ignorant, without gathering or trying to ask what I meant by that term is ignorant in itself.
 

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Our views of create just differ. When I say create, I'm alluding to the fact, that they can't and could not form into prominence without western influence. I believe You're talking about their ideological formation, which is fair; but to call my definition of creation ignorant, without gathering or trying to ask what I meant by that term is ignorant in itself.
No diss intended:

How Saddam's fighters help Islamic State rule
 

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Gonna make a Putin version of :umad: tonight.

Will edit when I'm done :sas2:


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bout fukking time they kill that assad must go bullshyt. all the shyt that's happening in the middle east right now is because we got rid of dictators. leave these secular horrible people alone. they are better than the horrible religious people.
 

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bout fukking time they kill that assad must go bullshyt. all the shyt that's happening in the middle east right now is because we got rid of dictators. leave these secular horrible people alone. they are better than the horrible religious people.

lol.
 
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