John Oliver goes in on The NCAA

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I said it before and I'll say it again: let the athletes earn money outside of school, just like any university student with scholarship can. Problem solved.

If a company like Nike wants to sponsor a kid, and the kid gets paid for that, shouldn't be an issue. Just like a music student with a full scholarship can release an album and get paid for it.

That the kids can't make a living despite their likeness being used to generate billions is ridiculous.

NO NO NO these athletes have to work there way up from the bottom they are amateurs that's the way it has always been if they want to get paid they need to go pro.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Let's look at the word "free," since so much of this argument is contingent upon the ideal that athletes are rewarded with a "free education."

Adjective

1. not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
"I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free."
not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

1. "she lifted the cat free"
   synonyms: unimpeded, unobstructed, unrestricted, unhampered, clear, open,unblocked
   "the free flow of water"

Adverb

1. without cost or payment.
2. "ladies were admitted free"

synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing.

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In the proper context of the word "student-athletes" are definitely not getting a free education.

They are. They get to enroll in a school and have full access to any academic enterprise associated with the university. They just choose not to take advantage.

Theres tons of bench warmers with 3.5 GPAs. It can be done.

This isn't the arrangement the NCAA has in place. I don't see how one can even legitimately argue as such.

Sounds like you don't understand it.

They like to espouse the idea of "free education" because it's more palatable than the reality: quid pro quo (something for something). However, let's look at another word.

You're just dropping terms without understanding them or explaining how they're being used. The student is getting the insurance policy or a hedge against them not going pro IN LIEU of getting a degree of their choosing.

Opportunity Cost

1. The cost of an alternative that must be forgone in order to pursue a certain action. Put another way, the benefits you could have received by taking an alternative action.

Yep. Joining a frat, a social organization, or any sort of extracurricular activity.
We all make choices.

Athletes make theirs.

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Even if you are so foolhardy that you argue that the education is free because there is no monetary exchange (which is a myopic and rubbish position to hold to begin with, but I'll entertain it for now), the education still isn't "free."

These kids are paying NOTHING

Sounds like a free education to me.

They get to play. Develop their skills. Refine their craft. And if they're good enough. They can go pro.

OR

They can forgo trying to be an elite athlete and still balance a manageable schedule of trying to pursue an education at no cost.

Its about sacrifice. You want to do it all and not have to wager any effort in doing so.

Life isn't fair.

It's what Richard Sherman was saying in that video. The opportunity cost for being a D-1 athlete is enormous. You're giving up a significant portion of your life for a "free education," which could be divvied up to cultivate other things besides athleticism.

Richard Sherman went pro.

And?

Is that really who you want to refer to? And this is the same Sherman who got his degree and is proud of doing so.

Whats everyone else's excuse? Did they not have the same 24 hours?

Sounds like a lack of accountability for these young celebrities.

I'll use FSU as an example: there's football season and practice for the bowl game through the holiday season: Christmas and winter break? All that shyt is time on campus while everybody else is at home.

So?

They chose to sacrifice that time for an extracurricular activity.

High risk, high reward. If some of them want to go pro, they can choose if they want. Money doesn't fix that.

Once the season ends, there's the "voluntary" conditioning before before spring practice.

Seems like they don't wanna play?

or do they?

Depending upon what group you're in, you could be doing these at 5:00 am, then you have spring practice.

More sacrifice for a voluntary decision.

After spring practice and the spring game you have "voluntary" summer conditioning.

And?

They're called EXTRA-curricular activities for a reason.

So yeah, you're taking summer classes too. You're not going home. After summer conditioning you have fall practice, and then the season starts. Mind you, this is just the bare minimum; if you're a QB, RB, WR, et al, you're expected to organize 7 on 7's among teammates on your own time.

a singular situation for a singular sport.

I feel no sympathy for the voluntary effort they choose to invest without levying their time to forgoing this physical endeavor and taking advantage of the academic opportunity.

That's working hard and going the extra mile. You think you're playing for Nick Saban and doing the minimum ?

Choices.

You still have your position meetings and film review. You have study hall at night too. How the fukk is all of that "free"?

Its free because they get to not pay for any classes...the real meat and potatoes of universities.

Something being free is not exclusive to money, or lack thereof. It's a job. You are not majoring in biochemistry doing all that, unless you're brilliant and unfortunately the overwhelming majority of the world isn't.

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So?

The students in biochem with scholarships don't get paid on top of that too.

Essentially, it boils down to this cat and mouse game the NCAA likes to play where they tell you student athletes are different, but not really. It's the proverbial moving of the goal post whenever it suits their agenda. When in reality it's a simple question: are student athletes "regular students" or not?

I think they are.

It's clear they're not.

Theres a lot of former successful student athletes. Did they waste their time like their teammates?

They are often accepted into college under different requirements, they call boosters and tell them to come out to the games, they have "fan days" where fans show up and greet them and they autograph shyt for them, jersey for sale in the bookstore, mandatory study hall, they are suspended for stuff another student wouldn't be, they wear special backpacks with their numbers on them indicating they're an athlete, etc.

So?

Coaches ban Twitter, Instagram, etc. Could you imagine a professor or president telling a student or population of the school they couldn't use Twitter? Yet, Jimbo can ban Twitter and nobody bats an eyelash (this has really happened before). They are judged by a different standard. They also do stuff like this for the schools athletic fund raising:

All this emotional shyt fam.

I'm not hearing it.

I'm hearing choices these people choose to make in lieu of getting an education.

I've even advocated coming up with a separate program where these kids could be paid, but not given a chance to earn a degree but given a certificate saying they played for a sports program

"Johnny Football isn't just helping Texas A&M University on the football field.

He is.

The resurgence of Aggies football helped Texas A&M raise a record $740 million in donations during the past year."

So?

Thats alumni donations. Voluntary money given to the school. Unless you can show a profound cause and effect relationship, I don't see why Manziel is entitled to that money over and above from the brand, the team, the sport, and the atmosphere that public events bring.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/co...cord-740-million-almost-doubles-longhorns.ece

Yet, with all the extra shyt that is accompanied by being an athlete the NCAA likes to say, "Hey, Jameis Winston is just like Peter over there that's in our Pysch program."

He could be if he wanted to. And thats the point.

It's a charade that can only be pulled on the woefully idealistic at best, and wayward souls incredulous to exploitation of others at worst. They aren't regular students and they should be remunerated properly.

If they want renumeration, go pro. Otherwise, pay attention in class so you're prepared for what you'll do when May rolls around and you aren't on the field anymore.

No more of this blurring of the lines pretend shyt. Fortunately, that day is coming sooner than later.

The only blurred lines is the mascara of the fan-club of these athletes who seem to think that playing a popular sport means you're entitled to more than any other athlete affiliated with the school.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

And the students getting full scholarships for academics, music, arts, and so on DON'T represent the school? LOL

If an athlete wants to write a damn book and get it published, there is no reason for him/her NOT getting paid for that. None.

The way things are, the athlete can't do a thing to earn a living while everyone else can. And for logical reason either

The "logical" reason is based on a history of corruption above and beyond and reasonable degree unseen outside of collegiate sports in the big 3/4 sports.

And the non-athletes do represent the school. But if they want to do something outside of the school TOTALLY outside of the school, they should be able to.

These athletes trying to earn money are doing so in the context of football.

I have suggested reforming the student-athlete work-study program to include some option for "work" if necessary.

However, with all these complaints of "time management" makes you wonder if they'd ever be able to "work" and make meaningful wages without individuals then saying oh well we don't have enough time...just give us money. NO.

Earn your keeps in the pros.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

NO NO NO these athletes have to work there way up from the bottom they are amateurs that's the way it has always been if they want to get paid they need to go pro.

Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Jesus @Napoleon is a fukking fakkit. Not every college athlete has the ability to go pro only 2 precent in the entire nation go pro.

Even the beasts that will go pro need college athletics to get bigger and stronger. Maybe if you'd actually watch sports instead of sucking off Drake 24/7 and spewing n this vitriol, you'd know the difference between a 18 year old high school football player and a 22 year old football player. Football players are never just of the field, their is spring training, practices and scrimmages.

So the 98% of athletes that don't go pro and their ticket to college is tied to their athletic performance, what are they supposed to do. Sacrifice performance of the field and risk being cut to do better in entry level courses?

Just admit you're a scorned bytch because an athlete means more to a university than any amount of research you can do in a lab.

 

[Birnin Zana]

The "logical" reason is based on a history of corruption above and beyond and reasonable degree unseen outside of collegiate sports in the big 3/4 sports.

You just said a whole bunch of nothing.

Let me make my stance very clear:

-My sole position in all this is that student athletes should have the same rights as any other student, whether in scholarship or not: the ability to make money off their work and likeness, regardless of whether or not it is associate to their school.

I don't give a damn about the schools themselves.

I don't give a damn about the conferences.

I don't give a damn about the parity, or lack thereof in college sports.

I don't give a damn about the NCAA.

All that matters to me is that those kids, if they choose, can make money while in school. Just like everyone else. If they take advantage of their status as athletes, so the fukk what?

For someone saying that people are bytching and complaining, you seem to have a big problem with the athletes making money and possibility helping themselves and their families out.

 

[heart]

I hear all of this and to you for getting your life back on track.

But I still don't see a reason to pay these athletes who are making a decision to engage in high level EXTRA-curricular activities

There are players who know they'll never go pro, and they don't delude themselves. They bust their asses and still come out with a degree and a set of life goals and a career path. I know these students personally from D1-D3. They were busy, but the ones who didn't fall into the trap of thinking they could enter pro-sports ended up re-focusing and salvaged themselves from what they thought they were.

Paying these kids doesn't solve anything...especially not the "time" issue.

Elite athletes at these schools get tons of support. Money isn't one of them. I'm sorry that some players come from troubling circumstances, but as a young adult, you have to make a decision of what you want out of life and what you want from your college experience.

You have a scholarship. Don't blow it.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying & I tell kids that all the time now. I have a cousin who is a junior now in hs playing basketball & is being heavily recruited. I told him he doesn't know what the future & he knows about my struggles so hopefully he'll take college serious & get a real degree just in case making it to the pros doesn't happen.

Everything in society is so PC so eventually some type of financial compensation will be rewarded but what scares me is will it open up a pandora's box that can't be closed.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Jesus @Napoleon is a fukking fakkit. Not every college athlete has the ability to go pro only 2 precent in the entire nation go pro.

So pay attention in class and weigh your priorities like every other young adult in that institution. Stop asking for more hand-outs.

An extra $1000 a month isn't going to give you more time in the day.

You know how you get compensated for your time? Come out of college with a fukking plan.

Even the beasts that will go pro need college athletics to get bigger and stronger.

Which their program provides.

Maybe if you'd actually watch sports instead of sucking off Drake 24/7 and spewing n this vitriol, you'd know the difference between a 18 year old high school football player and a 22 year old football player.

Football isn't the only college sport though.

Football players are never just of the field, their is spring training, practices and scrimmages.

No shyt.

But every hour spent on the field is one not spend in the books. And money doesn't change that.

But again, we all make choices.

So the 98% of athletes that don't go pro and their ticket to college is tied to their athletic performance, what are they supposed to do.

Figure it out. If they really wanted to go to college, they'd prepare to go the academic route, wouldn't they?

Sacrifice performance of the field and risk being cut to do better in entry level courses?

I've supported reforming sports scholarships to reflect academic attention or situations including injuries or getting released from the team

Just admit you're a scorned bytch because an athlete means more to a university than any amount of research you can do in a lab.

Again, I played a sport in high school and IM in college. I know whats going on.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying & I tell kids that all the time now. I have a cousin who is a junior now in hs playing basketball & is being heavily recruited. I told him he doesn't know what the future & he knows about my struggles so hopefully he'll take college serious & get a real degree just in case making it to the pros doesn't happen.

Everything in society is so PC so eventually some type of financial compensation will be rewarded but what scares me is will it open up a pandora's box that can't be closed.

Theres a lot of people in here who want to be rewarded for not making more enlightened choices about how they spend their time at university.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

So pay attention in class and weigh your priorities like every other young adult in that institution. Stop asking for more hand-outs.

An extra $1000 a month isn't going to give you more time in the day.

You know how you get compensated for your time? Come out of college with a fukking plan.

Which their program provides.

Football isn't the only college sport though.

No shyt.

But every hour spent on the field is one not spend in the books. And money doesn't change that.

But again, we all make choices.

Figure it out. If they really wanted to go to college, they'd prepare to go the academic route, wouldn't they?


I've supported reforming sports scholarships to reflect academic attention or situations including injuries or getting released from the team


Again, I played a sport in high school and IM in college. I know whats going on.

So he pays attention in class and misses some practices, and gets cut he loses his scholarship and can't do shyt what's your response to that?

You're missing the entire point, the only reason the majority of athletes are at this school is because of their athletic ability, if they stop giving they're all to that they're gone. This isn't some extra curricular activity, it's their sole ticket into a university. A lab doesn't affect whether you go go to school next year. neither a debate team or a fraternity.

 

[Birnin Zana]

These athletes trying to earn money are doing so in the context of football.

AND??

Ivy leaguer leverage the fact they go to those schools to make money every time, EVEN AS STUDENTS!!!

Who cares that it's in the context of football or whatever, lol. They have the right to make money, period. You think music or academic students who have a scholarship don't leverage their school or don't make projects that may earn money within "the context" of their program???

You're reminding me why you've earned those two banners below your screen name.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You just said a whole bunch of nothing.

I beg to differ. I've made very in depth arguments in opposition to yours. You just won't accept it.

Let me make my stance very clear:

I'm sure you'll try

-My sole position in all this is that student athletes should have the same rights as any other student, whether in scholarship or not: the ability to make money off their work and likeness, regardless of whether or not it is associate to their school.

Theres a reason why there are rules against this.

The abuse.

I don't give a damn about the schools themselves.

Well focus your energy on letting the NCAA remove rules to kids going pro.

I don't give a damn about the conferences.

See above

I don't give a damn about the parity, or lack thereof in college sports.

See above

I don't give a damn about the NCAA.

DEFINITELY see above

All that matters to me is that those kids, if they choose, can make money while in school. Just like everyone else. If they take advantage of their status as athletes, so the fukk what?

How much money do you think these kids will make?

Huh?

Cause they're definitely not worth professional rookie minimum contracts. So that'll never happen.

They're definitely not going to be paid even 1/3rd of that at the highest level.

And as representatives of the university, I don't think they should be paid off their likeness. The same way kids in a brochure don't get paid if their face of them laying in the quad makes it to the front cover.

The video game argument is a little different and I'm open to discussing it.

For someone saying that people are bytching and complaining, you seem to have a big problem with the athletes making money and possibility helping themselves and their families out.

If they wanna help their families out, they should focus in school or go pro.

I'm tired of hearing these woe-is-me tale that since the star WR went to school mama is home struggling. Oh well. He's a man now and he's going to have to learn to either come up and make the pros, or get the education that will allow him to make his family's life better.

All of your anecdotes are about poor kids who can't rub two pieces of bread together when they go home. I'm not trying to hear it.

College is the chance we all get to make the decisions that will change our lives. Some squander that opportunity. And they have no one but themselves to blame.

And its laughable to think the crumbs (which is what they would be) they would make would ever go so far as to "help them out" Because we all know the great majority of non-starting or even star players would ever make money that compares to even being a adjunct professor or instructor at an ACADEMIC facility (first and foremost since you forget this).

If you don't wanna be exploited you have two choices:

A. Try and go pro

B. Focus on your studies and forsake trying to be the team star

C. (this option doesn't exist but it should) let kids get paid, but they don't get a degree but they get a certificate saying they completed an academic sports academy within the institution.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So he pays attention in class and misses some practices, and gets cut he loses his scholarship and can't do shyt what's your response to that?

Too bad.

We all make decisions.

The bigger the risk, the bigger the reward.

Life isn't easy and its not fair. It takes a lot of effort and sacrifice.

You're missing the entire point, the only reason the majority of athletes are at this school is because of their athletic ability, if they stop giving they're all to that they're gone.

So go to a place that you feel you are respected for your academic endeavors.

Good luck to them, then.

This isn't some extra curricular activity, it's their sole ticket into a university. A lab doesn't affect whether you go go to school next year. neither a debate team or a fraternity.

If they go to a school to play a sport, then don't be surprised when they haven't taken advantage of the academic resources available to them.

I feel no sympathy for a series of poor choices and a lack of foresight as a result of the freedom we are all given as young adults to find our way.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

AND??

Ivy leaguer leverage the fact they go to those schools to make money every time, EVEN AS STUDENTS!!!

They don't actually. They leverage the academic potential of their education.

Who cares that it's in the context of football or whatever, lol. They have the right to make money, period. You think music or academic students who have a scholarship don't leverage their school or don't make projects that may earn money within "the context" of their program???

Because its not done within the context of the university.

You seem to forget this.

And yes, anything created within or by the university is OWNED by the university. You need visit your school's intellectual property office or read the fine-print on those lines.

You're reminding me why you've earned those two banners below your screen name.

You don't seem to have fully thought out the implications of your emotional predilection to throw money at people who make poor choices.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Too bad.

We all make decisions.

The bigger the risk, the bigger the reward.

Life isn't easy and its not fair. It takes a lot of effort and sacrifice.

So go to a place that you feel you are respected for your academic endeavors.

Good luck to them, then.



If they go to a school to play a sport, then don't be surprised when they haven't taken advantage of the academic resources available to them.

I feel no sympathy for a series of poor choices and a lack of foresight as a result of the freedom we are all given as young adults to find our way.

So he does what you suggests and gets cut you're and all you have to say is good luck?

You're a closed minded fakkit breh I'mma just ignore you I hope you don't reproduce because there are too many of you in the world.