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John Oliver goes in on The NCAA
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"So what?" can't be your response. That just doesn't suffice. You asked what an athlete does for a school, compared to a debate student, and I just told you. The athlete brings in millions of dollars and public awareness to the university. You can't even compare that to some nobody debate or science student.
If the only response you can muster up to that "so?" then that tells me you don't really have any concrete reasoning for why you are supporting these dumbass, archaic NCAA bylaws. You're either supporting it "just because" that's how it's always been done, or because you're trolling.
Yeah it does. I simply don't think they should be paid.
You can want them to all they want, but I believe the right thing is to NOT pay them. And i've gone into depth more times than you've replied with this defiant inability to comprehend my stance. Suck it up and start on page 1.
And theres a reason neither of them are paid.
And so does the debate kid.
Both represent the school in official capacities and their reward is the recognition of being apart of the university and using the university resources.
I've already explained myself and I'm going to direct you to my other lengthy replies in this thread. I suggest you read them from the start.
The debate kid brings in hundreds of millions of dollars and a top level of public awareness to a university like a star athlete does? really? nikka are you retarded?
And I've read through the thread, and I haven't seen you give one good answer for why you would make a dumbass comparison of a star athlete to a debate student. One is worth hundreds of millions to the university, the other isn't. Discussion ends right there really.
All you're doing is saying "so what? go pro" or "they should manage their time better". Those aren't good answers. Those don't make any sense. Should everyone at your workplace be paid the exact same amount of money? Should the star lawyer at a law firm be paid as much as the janitor? Student athletes are not your average student. They do things that the average student can't do, and bring a level of financial success and public awareness to a university that the average student could never dream of. Literally everyone at the university is making money off them except them. Dabo Sweeney is making millions off the backs of players, and has the gall to say they shouldn't get a dime? That's modern day slavery. That's why they deserve to get paid.
The amount of money doesn't matter.
its principle.
Amateur sports should not be rewarded financially.
Actually, the team is worth millions. The investment of all the time, energy, and yes, money that went into DEVELOPING that "star" who may or may not even go professional is what increases that valuation of the team and the enterprise. The university benefits from that and the cycle continues.
College sports are for development for the next level and the occasional (more common in smaller divisions) person who wants to play for the sheer love of the game.
But don't you ever get it fukked up by thinking that you're never at a place outside of a University.
They're amazing answers because it shows the indifference the world truly has to those who don't go professional. And I find it funny that you and your emotional compatriots only focus on the big sports... This is a flawed argument as its only a function of popularity, not of actual talent or effort on behalf of the players...which is something thats not only harder to measure, but would debunk this notion of "worth" you so adamantly cling to.
It makes tons of sense. You just don't agree with me.
Of course not. But every enterprise isn't equal either. If my job paid for my welfare for 4 years and every aspect of my living then it'd be a different story.
Of course not. The lawyer went to development school AKA law school to refine his/her talent to step...into the Pros.
They're students of the university and should be treated as such.
so do cello players.
So do student artists.
So go pro or stop wasting the potential of a free education
As i've said probably 20 times already:
Coaches get paid:
1. to retain their talent, like executive pay
2. to value their performance and history of success...which is much longer and nuanced than 3-5 years as an amateur athlete
3. they are the figure heads of their respective sports
Modern day slaves are in the middle east building arenas for the next world cup. Don't play with this term.
These are talented high school kids who are trying to develop their skills at universities with resources and access that is unparalleled at no cost to the student AND they even get an opportunity to get a degree out of it.
I've also suggested (I'm getting tired of repeating this shyt by the way) the following:
- An alternative option where these athletes can get paid, but they don't get to get a degree but a certificate saying they completed a sports program affiliated with XYZ school
- Reform the scholarship programs to allow for SPECIFIC work opportunities that reduce any aspect of corruption or grift or impropriety. Similar to work-study
- negotiate a clear understanding about "likenesses" and the right to certain images. I personally don't think all "likenesses" deserve to be paid. These are just high school players on a bigger level...they're not pros. Their popularity is an unintended consequence of their appeal. They represent the institution and nothing more.
- reform the scholarship system to allot for more support for players who get injured, voluntarily quit or get cut based on a schedule that accounts for the reason the scholarship isn't being fulfilled or how long the player has used the scholarship.
- REMOVE THE BARRIERS WITHIN THE NCAA TO GOING PROFESSIONAL
We all make decisions. If you want to go to school to play a sport and nothing else with your time, be prepared to deal with the realities of squandering that opportunity to not obtain an education.
Once May of your senior year rolls around, the crumbs they'll be paid won't do them any good without an education or a plan to sustain them...or a career in a professional setting.
Now...i've ALREADY said this stuff like 100x in here....and you're the 101st.
You can take it or leave it. Thats my stance.
I've offered options for reform and explained my stance...and you're not going to appeal to me by merely talking about how I should care that a popular student deserves some of the endowment because he's...popular.
I just want to know what D1 player took your girl man. I refuse to believe someone would argue like this for something they are not emotionally vested in.
So only the pro-payment crowd gets to argue?
I'm replying to everything thats addressed to me. Get your panties out of your ass
Whatever it takes for you to avoid debating someone with a contrary opinion
I have played a sport since I was 6. Played varsity in high school and IM in college.This fakkit @Napoleon bringing his shytty posting to the Coliseum now? fukk outta here homo.
You can tell this fakkit never played a sport in his life.
I have played a sport since I was 6. Played varsity in high school and IM in college.
Synchronized swimming isn't a sport
The fact you don't mention the "sport" in question says enough
I've said it 1000000000x in this thread.Synchronized swimming isn't a sport
The fact you don't mention the "sport" in question says enough
I played soccer and did a little track in HS. Kept up with IM soccer in college
This fukking clown is talking about intramural soccer, you have got to be kidding me. Take your bullshyt posts back to the other forums and don't pollute the Coliseum with your garbage
first said I never played a sport
Take your bullshyt posts back to the other forums and don't pollute the Coliseum with your garbage
that was wrong
then you said I never played a sport seriously
that was also wrong
Then you said i never played a contact/physical sport
that was also wrong
now its that I wasn't a D1 athlete? Do you know how many of those nikkas there are?
Man get the fukk outta here.
You clowns don't even know any college athletes outside of the ones you see on your dusty ass TVs in your mom's basements.
ANNNNNND even further, none of this addresses the point of the thread:
Don't pay college athletes.
You were NEVER an athlete, only fakkits who never played sports side with the NCAA, which is why you side with them. I don't believe you played anything, you the same moron who said they weren't black, then said they were. Your word carries no weight.
But they already are being rewarded financially, for literally everyone except the athlete. Don't give me this "amateur" sports shyt like it's some little league baseball game where the local bail bondsman is paying $100 bucks to have his logo in the outfield. This is a business where everyone except the person doing the most work is making millions.
Wrong. Look at Texas A&M's value, public profile, donations, etc. before and after Johnny Manziel. He was the face of that university, not Kevin Sumlin.
It's a function of popularity? No, it's a function of getting what you're worth.
It's easier to become a lawyer than it is to become a professional athlete, and that law school kid wasn't bringing in the money to their university that the star athlete is when they are a student.
Making millions of dollars off someone is "treating them like a student of a university" to you? Really? In what world is making millions of dollars off a star athletes likeness "treating them like a student?"
Cello players and student artists make hundreds of millions and bring a level of star athlete public awareness to a university? HOW SWAY?!
1. So they get paid based off how talented their players are, basically. The more talented the players, the better the team, the more coach the money makes. They are making millions off these kids. That's modern day slavery.
2. And what is the value of Manziel's performance? Of Winston's? Of Mariota's? It's worth more than the coach in many cases, but they aren't allowed to make any money off it.. why? Just because?
3. The star athlete is the face of the university, except in very rare cases. Nobody is buying a Mark Helfrich jersey.
It's at a cost to the student. There is a significant time crunch. They are asked to perform the same school duties that a regular student does, while taking the time to perform at a high-enough level athletically that allows the university to make millions of dollars off them. They are expected to do so, so, so much more than say, the average student on a regular academic scholarship.
that's fukking stupid.
This should have been done years ago.
Why do you think high school's don't sell jerseys? Can you imagine the public outcry from local parents if the school board decided to start selling a jersey for their star player. Parents would want to know where the money was going, why the school board was making money off their child, but for some reason in college it's ok? They don't just represent the institution because the college selling these jerseys and memorabilia is not only making money off what that athlete is doing at that very moment, but what their potential to do in the future is. It's a racket in every way imaginable.