John Oliver goes in on The NCAA

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You were NEVER an athlete, only fakkits who never played sports side with the NCAA, which is why you side with them. I don't believe you played anything, you the same moron who said they weren't black, then said they were. Your word carries no weight.
I could be an international chess player for all you fukking care, and it doesn't change the argument so stay focused.

Everyone want to be paid for doing nothing at all. So of course you've never considered any argument against it.

I stand firm in my conclusion: Paying amateurs is bad for the sport and diminishes the role of development in universities.
 

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Everyone want to be paid for doing nothing at all. So of course you've never considered any argument against it.


Generate billions of dollars and have @Napoleon, a cornball who has never played a competitive sport in his life claim you're doing "nothing".

Like I said, your stance on this lets me know you weren't an athlete :yeshrug:
 

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I stand firm in my conclusion: Paying amateurs is bad for the sport and diminishes the role of development in universities.

Such certainty is usually the result of incomplete information coupled with preset biases.

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After watching this I can no longer condemn the NBA players that came straight outta HS. Including Kobe and Bron.

shyt is so clear now. Bron can go back and get a college education whenever he wants. His kids as well

And I guess the NCAA begged the NBA to ommit HS players entering the draft because the talent was evolving and the NCAA still needed to make their Billions huh :scust:

This shyt is crazy
 

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But they already are being rewarded financially, for literally everyone except the athlete.
The athlete gets the benefit of earning the pride of representing their school, developing into a world-class athlete, and evolving into something that may be able to compete professionally. There has to be a proving ground where the best, meet the best until they evolve into something that can not be denied in the professional level of competition.


Don't give me this "amateur" sports shyt like it's some little league baseball game where the local bail bondsman is paying $100 bucks to have his logo in the outfield. This is a business where everyone except the person doing the most work is making millions.

i'm literally shrugging while typing this.

I don't care.

It is amateur sports.

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So lets be real.

You only care about the top 3 sports.

So citing that, lets talk about why these students can't take advantage of the academic opportunities at their feet instead of coming up with excuses that they're "working too hard"

Thats what D-1 means.

And thats what it takes to go pro. If they can't handle it, fall back.

I've cited several reforms for the program so lets address those. Not these silly memes about getting a cut off of something they don't own.

This is a time to develop. If they want to be paid, they can go the professional route.

Wrong. Look at Texas A&M's value, public profile, donations, etc. before and after Johnny Manziel. He was the face of that university, not Kevin Sumlin.
Sounds like a successful sports franchise as a result of a TEAM win. Not Manziel. He's one player. He's not the team, and he's not the legacy, the team record, or A&M in total.

The spectacle of the sport drove alumni donations across a range of merch and raw money, but just because people may come to homecoming or go to games doesn't mean the football players are therefore individuals worthy of getting a cut.

They're still on the proving ground for that period of their lives and if not, they can go pro.


It's a function of popularity? No, it's a function of getting what you're worth.

Your worth is determined when you go pro.


It's easier to become a lawyer than it is to become a professional athlete, and that law school kid wasn't bringing in the money to their university that the star athlete is when they are a student.
Well thats too bad. Its easier to become a lawyer than a supreme court justice.

Other venues bring in money to the university. Recitals. Performances and a whole other host of events make money. As much as SOME D-1 sports at SOME universities? Not always, but this myopic view just insinuates that popularity needs to be rewarded, when its not something I agree with or even think is a valuable argument.

Representing your school and developing that culture of pride is a privilege.

Making millions of dollars off someone is "treating them like a student of a university" to you? Really? In what world is making millions of dollars off a star athletes likeness "treating them like a student?"
A handful of popular players at big schools is something worthy of getting a cheque? No.

In the pro's, everyone gets paid.

In this realm, only the big names are all anyone cares about and is all who may be paid...and they won't even be paid enough to truly change anything...and not all of these schools even make bread like that, so i'm not going to let you get away with throwing about these huge numbers without any context.


Cello players and student artists make hundreds of millions and bring a level of star athlete public awareness to a university? HOW SWAY?!
Does the amount of money matter?

They're all equal representatives of the university. Not meeting a threshold doesn't diminish the diversity of the representation that the school has in extracurricular activities of any influence.

The fact that sports games are on TV doesn't change the representation other students carry on behalf of the university.

1. So they get paid based off how talented their players are, basically. The more talented the players, the better the team, the more coach the money makes. They are making millions off these kids. That's modern day slavery.
Thats not slavery. They're getting all their financial needs taken care of in return for physically performing at the highest level with the chance to get a degree that will help them when 99% of them never go professional.

Don't like that? Go take a loan and get a degree OR get an academic scholarship.

These are young adults. Treat them as such.

2. And what is the value of Manziel's performance? Of Winston's? Of Mariota's? It's worth more than the coach in many cases, but they aren't allowed to make any money off it.. why? Just because?
Because they're not professionals. They had to prove themselves enough to be paid.
3. The star athlete is the face of the university, except in very rare cases. Nobody is buying a Mark Helfrich jersey.
Thats where you're wrong.

It's at a cost to the student. There is a significant time crunch.
Paying them doesn't make the day longer.

They are asked to perform the same school duties that a regular student does, while taking the time to perform at a high-enough level athletically that allows the university to make millions of dollars off them.
Sound like time management and a personal issue as a result of an agreement they signed for their FULL scholarship.
They are expected to do so, so, so much more than say, the average student on a regular academic scholarship.
So?

Academic scholarships ask that you maintain some standards

Athletic ones ask that you maintain other standards.

A deal is a deal

Otherwise, go take that loan out and remember your privilege of being able to represent the university on that level before transitioning to the pro's.


that's fukking stupid.
No its not.

If they wanna be paid, they shouldn't do so on the university's dime thats investing in their development to become pro with the financial freedom to get a degree for free.

This should have been done years ago.
So advocate for this. The NCAA should let anyone go pro when they want.

Paying amateurs doesn't help this.


Why do you think high school's don't sell jerseys?
I really don't care. Its not relevant to THIS discussion.
Can you imagine the public outcry from local parents if the school board decided to start selling a jersey for their star player. Parents would want to know where the money was going, why the school board was making money off their child, but for some reason in college it's ok?
Not relevant to this discussion.

They don't just represent the institution because the college selling these jerseys and memorabilia is not only making money off what that athlete is doing at that very moment, but what their potential to do in the future is. It's a racket in every way imaginable.

These aren't employees. These are students. And I don't agree that their jerseys should be sold, if they ever are, in the first place.

Unofficial ones are one thing, but I don't support compensating these players in any way for their participation at undergraduate institutions where they develop their skills into professionals.

Let me save you the effort -- You need to consider replying to me, because my reply is going to basically mirror some form of what I've already said.

I'm pretty firm in what I'm asserting here and you're not going to tell me anything I've never heard before.
 

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Such certainty is usually the result of incomplete information coupled with preset biases.

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What preset biases do I have?

Amateurs need to respect the integrity of the institution and pursue going pro.

Change the rules to pro earlier. or restrict the sale of items that present "likenesses" ...but don't pay these players that all their financial needs met while they act on official representatives of the university.
 

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Generate billions of dollars and have @Napoleon, a cornball who has never played a competitive sport in his life claim you're doing "nothing".

Like I said, your stance on this lets me know you weren't an athlete :yeshrug:
I've played a competitive sport for most of my youth. I've said this many times

And I still don't think athletes should be paid in college.
 

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After watching this I can no longer condemn the NBA players that came straight outta HS. Including Kobe and Bron.

shyt is so clear now. Bron can go back and get a college education whenever he wants. His kids as well

And I guess the NCAA begged the NBA to ommit HS players entering the draft because the talent was evolving and the NCAA still needed to make their Billions huh :scust:

This shyt is crazy
The real solution here is letting players go pro out of high school :manny:
 

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Amateurs need to respect the integrity of the institution and pursue going pro.

Because you say so? You realize you've only provided assertion, not argument.

Change the rules to pro earlier. or restrict the sale of items that present "likenesses" ...but don't pay these players that all their financial needs met while they act on official representatives of the university.

So let me play napoleon for a minute: You are a biased, bitter loser that couldn't be dislodged from the status quo with an excavator. I have said it, therefore it is true.
 

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Because you say so? You realize you've only provided assertion, not argument.
Uhhh...yeah. Amateur sports exist for a reason. The NBDL exists for a reason. The U18 soccer teams exist for a reason. College football exists for a reason. olympic academies exist for a reason. Theres levels to this shyt.

So let me play napoleon for a minute: You are a biased, bitter loser that couldn't be dislodged from the status quo with an excavator. I have said it, therefore it is true.
I don't support the "status quo"

You've conveniently overlooked the 4 main reforms i've advocated.

And even if I suggest not paying students, you don't get to just say "oh you support the status quo" without respecting the points of my argument.

You're lazy at this debate thing.

But hey, I have 20 pages of responses in here to every critic of mine and I've not wavered in any way.

I'm open to considering new arguments, but i'm still unpersuaded to change anything at this point.

I have my views and my conclusions...I think everyone who disagrees with me on this issue is wrong and that the current NCAA model needs some reforms as well.
 

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@Napoleon when you become a division 1 athlete that a school and organization are profiting from let me know so I can take your posts seriously, until then please shut the fukk up. You are the most hard headed, long winded poster on this entire website.
 

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@Napoleon when you become a division 1 athlete that a school and organization are profiting from let me know so I can take your posts seriously, until then please shut the fukk up. You are the most hard headed, long winded poster on this entire website.
Are you a D-1 Athlete?

Cause I'm just going to assume you never were, so advocating on their behalf using your standards is equally as flawed.

I have my reasons for opposing their payment. Take it or leave it.

Don't call my stance uninformed however. I've read into this at length and concluded that they are not worth any sort of payment in college.

Not agreeing with me doesn't mean I'm lacking something you all are privy too.
 
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