Jokic is considered better than curry?

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I'm a big Jokic and Doncic fan (especially the latter), but no.

Disrespectful to say otherwise after what Curry did vs Boston in the Finals.

It's like climbing Mt. Everest: you can't say you're good enough to climb Mt. Everest until you've actually climbed it.

Some of those shots and passes Curry made in the Finals when games were up for grabs are plays we have not seen the other two make yet.

Remember going into game 4, Boston was up 2-1 and with 5:00 minutes in the fourth quarter the Celtics were leading 94-90 in Boston as both teams played high-level defense. However, Curry's 10 points during that time (43 points total) made the difference (final score 107-97) and evened the series. That's maybe the pure definition of clutch when it comes to basketball right there. Those other guys may very well have let the series drop 1-3 in the same situation.

That's the thing:
You got to prove that you can carry at the highest level first, against the best defenses.
You got to prove you don't get rattled when the world is watching.
Every single game in the Finals is pretty much "clutch time".
Big difference compared to regular season awards.

For example, Jokic's assist numbers drop heavy during the play-offs, while Curry's stays about at his average.

People didn't want to give Curry credit for 2015, then no credit for 2017 nor 2018. It took until 2022 after carrying and winning against real postseason teams for the guy to get full credit and shut haters down.

Now people want to give Luka, Embiid and Jokic credit for not even reaching the Finals? Keep the same energy. If it's that difficult to get that kind of acknowledgement, then they're far from that level - shouldn't even be mentioned in the same tweet. Recent champions only.

Bottom line, if you want to keep the same standards that Curry had to deal with then it's basically Giannis as the only other one out of that list who has proven it. If that's not he standard, then name whoever tf you want I guess.

 
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Naw, the thing for me is only 2 players on that list really change how you play against their team, Curry and Giannis. You really need to change the way you play defense when facing the Bucks and Warriors. Jokic may be the centerpiece of the offense but ive never heard that you need to employ a specific change in your defense if you are facing the Nuggets.

Putting up stats is quite different than being a better player for winning.
 

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Giannis & Curry are 1-2

Personally, I have Joker 3, Luka 4, and Biidy Biid/Tatum at 5

Denver will win 55+ games this upcoming season but they need to make a run. I expect Joker's production to dip a bit but he needs to make it up on def.

Luka is special but he needs to become a Paul Pierce in 08 level defender

Tatum's postseason success & durability is why I can't outright say Biidy Biid should be ranked higher than him
 

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I actually agree with the guys in the top five just not the order.


I would have Curry over Jokic but I don’t think it’s outrageous as you guys will make it seem.

Yeah Curry won it all last year but what seeding was the Warriors when the team was injured the year prior?

Did Jokic not win his second MVP without his two best players?
 

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Like I said Curry answered a lot of questions after Winning this last Championship. He affected both ends of the floor. Made key defensive stops/steals, rebounded and he didn't even have to do half of that. He's right there with Giannis. But Jokic is in the top 5 though he is carrying a bad team.
 

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I actually agree with the guys in the top five just not the order.


I would have Curry over Jokic but I don’t think it’s outrageous as you guys will make it seem.

Yeah Curry won it all last year but what seeding was the Warriors when the team was injured the year prior?

Did Jokic not win his second MVP without his two best players?
That’s that nerd analytics MVP
 

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My dark horse for MVP and "analytics" this year is KAT.

After seeing plenty of love Jokic got for being pass-first along with the emergence of Ant and D-Lo I think KAT is going to get his assist numbers up.

Not having to worry much on defense I think will free the guy up to take his offense to the next level on top of the 3-point and overall shooting ability.
 
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My dark horse for MVP this year is KAT.

Nobody is seeing it coming, but after seeing plenty of love Jokic got for being pass-first along with the emergence of Ant and D-Lo I think KAT is going to get his assist numbers up.

Not having to worry much on defense I think will free the guy up to take his offense to the next level on top of the 3-point and overall shooting ability.
You don’t just wake up one day and decide you’re gonna pass like Jokic breh.
 
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