Jokic is considered better than curry?

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But why do people act like Jokic without Jamal and MPJPLS still didn’t have decent nba role players?

The 2021 warriors were Steph and Draymond with fringe NBA talent, most of whom aren’t even in the league. In addition, before curry got hurt, they were on pace for the 5 seed that year. He missed 8 games and the team fell off a cliff.

Embiid being ranked higher than Steph is just nonsense. The nikka can’t even get to the conference finals. The Atlanta hawks made it there twice in the last 7 years

What the hell does decent role players mean breh

Everyone on last year active roster, outside of Jokic, are replaceable and forgettable.

We gonna act like superstar talent doesn’t make the players around them better than what they actually are right?


If the roles were reversed, for example if Murray and MPJ were healthy and Jokic was out for the season, I barely got them making the play-in if that.
 
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NBA is really deep talent wise. About 8 players I’d consider for top 5.
1. Giannis
2. Curry
3. Embiid
4. Jokic
5. Luka
6. KD
7. Lebron
8. Kawhi (if healthy)

Then add in AD who has top 5 talent. Or Harden if he can bounce back.
A healthy Kawhi is no lower than #3.
 

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Giannis getting all the praise for beating a depleted nets team and beating a suns team that only made it to the finals because they played hobbled teams is hilarious.

The second he won the finals, they ran with him being the best player in the world.
Why don’t they keep the same energy for Steph when he won this last chip. They have agendas
 

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What the hell does decent role players mean breh

Everyone on last year active roster, outside of Jokic, are replaceable and forgettable.

We gonna act like superstar talent doesn’t make the players around them better than what they actually are right?


If the roles were reversed, for example if Murray and MPJ were healthy and Jokic was out for the season, I barely got them making the play-in if that.
Monte Morris and Will Barton see better than 90% of the 2021 roster. Just by themselves. Rivers, Aaron Gordon, hartebstein and javale before being traded, Demarcus, jamychal green is a much better roster. And it’s not even particularly close. Those guys have been in the league for years. We had to depend on Damion Lee and mychal mulder, Brad wannamaker, Kent bazemore, and wiseman for significant minutes

And Steph’s superstar play made those players better. The best years came from playing with Steph. But they weren’t good at all, which is why they fizzled out the league
 

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jokic isnt average, hes fuking terrible.

Steph being a bad defender is all narrative. Every year he gets targeted and every year teams aren’t able to make the warriors pay. Steph may be the worst defender in a lineup of Steph/klay/KD/Iguodala/Draymond, but he’s never been horrible like people like to say.

Dame, Ja morant, Trae. Those guys are terrible defenders at the guard spot

I agree. Didn’t want to go back and forth with the people who say he’s good because advanced stats say so. He’s a complete liability on that end.


I agree with everything y’all said. Let me ask y’all something though..we all know Trae is limited on defense, but so are Ja, Luka, Dame, Jokic & others, but why is Trae the only one who’s defense is used against him?

If all these guys are liabilities on defense, how the fukk is a guy who led the league in total points and assists ranked lower than Ja & Luka?
 

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Monte Morris and Will Barton see better than 90% of the 2021 roster. Just by themselves. Rivers, Aaron Gordon, hartebstein and javale before being traded, Demarcus, jamychal green is a much better roster. And it’s not even particularly close. Those guys have been in the league for years. We had to depend on Damion Lee and mychal mulder, Brad wannamaker, Kent bazemore, and wiseman for significant minutes

And Steph’s superstar play made those players better. The best years came from playing with Steph. But they weren’t good at all, which is why they fizzled out the league


I understand and I agree the warriors would have been in a higher position seeding wise if Curry didn’t get injured.

But like I said, hypothetically, if Murray and MJP were healthy and Jokic was injured that team is not making the playoffs— I don’t care how solid the roster is.

But if you don’t want to use hypothetical scenarios then yeah Curry has changed the game BUT

with Jokic’s height and weight, with his ability to pass the ball the way he does and the force he brings helping the his teammates

I don’t think my stance is that outrageous

If curry was Jokic height and weight doing the same shyt then I would have no debate
 

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And why is no one mad Embid being ranked higher in than Curry
i dont like that ranking either. it's just so damn ridiculous it's not worth addressing more than i did in the last page :manny:

I understand and I agree the warriors would have been in a higher position seeding wise if Curry didn’t get injured.

But like I said, hypothetically, if Murray and MJP were healthy and Jokic was injured that team is not making the playoffs— I don’t care how solid the roster is.

But if you don’t want to use hypothetical scenarios then yeah Curry has changed the game BUT

with Jokic’s height and weight, with his ability to pass the ball the way he does and the force he brings helping the his teammates

I don’t think my stance is that outrageous

If curry was Jokic height and weight doing the same shyt then I would have no debate
no, murray and MPJ w/o Jokic dont make the playoffs. i agree

but that doesnt change that Jokic still had a pretty damn good roster around him w/o those 2. That's why the nuggets are considered contenders coming into this season. Jokic is the lone star, proving that the team is leagues above whatever the fukk Steph was playing with the 2 seasons before this

If you give steph the same roster Jokic did, people would call that roster "stacked"
 

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I agree with everything y’all said. Let me ask y’all something though..we all know Trae is limited on defense, but so are Ja, Luka, Dame, Jokic & others, but why is Trae the only one who’s defense is used against him?

If all these guys are liabilities on defense, how the fukk is a guy who led the league in total points and assists ranked lower than Ja & Luka?
because of Hype

Ja easily became one of the most overrated players this past season.
And the second Luka hit that game winner against the clippers in the bubble, everyone rode his dikk. They crowned him the MVP of the 2021 season before it started if u can remember

i honestly think that u cant win a chip with Ja as the best player bc his defense is putrid.He was just as bad as jordan poole, but he was a better scorer

Those guys have just have a shyt ton of hype, more than Trae
 
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