Yup. At this point i prefer just listing the top 8-10 that could be top 5 at any given point. The issue is there's no set criteria for what makes someone better than another player, esp once all this subjective, agenda-driven stuff comes into play.NBA is really deep talent wise. About 8 players I’d consider for top 5.
8. Kawhi (if healthy)
Then add in AD who has top 5 talent. Or Harden if he can bounce back.
Nah, people were still saying KD had it and were hesitant to say Giannis was the best player. Guys like Stephen Jackson were on those talk shows the next day still not giving Giannis credit.that's not true. Giannis took the throne right after that 50 piece to close out the Suns
Cuz it’s Stephen jackson. Since the title, Giannis hasnt done anything to put him at number 1Nah, people were still saying KD had it and were hesitant to say Giannis was the best player. Guys like Stephen Jackson were on those talk shows the next day still not giving Giannis credit.
Here's ESPN's same NBA players ranking from 2021: NBArank 2021: Where the final five check in, including LeBron, Giannis and KDCuz it’s Stephen jackson. Since the title, Giannis hasnt done anything to put him at number 1
It was 100% the 50 piece on the suns
My dark horse for MVP and "analytics" this year is KAT.
After seeing plenty of love Jokic got for being pass-first along with the emergence of Ant and D-Lo I think KAT is going to get his assist numbers up.
Not having to worry much on defense I think will free the guy up to take his offense to the next level on top of the 3-point and overall shooting ability.
Nowhere near as simple as you're making it.Dude don't got to pass and turn his game into Jokic's, but KAT has racked up assists and shown good court vision before. The guy averaged nearly 4.5 assists with less talent.
Ant is about to go into his third year, probably going to be an all-star and that means plenty of buckets and opportunities for KAT to find him and get his own in the meantime. Three years of chemistry with Ant will probably show this year.
Remember, a big part of assists and playmaking are just about your ability to find your own shot and create shots for yourself which KAT does very well. KAT will find more mismatches this year too because of Gobert imo.
Again, I'm not going to say ultimate favorite for MVP but "dark horse" I don't think is a reach.
He's definitely better than current Bron and I'd argue KD as well
Bron ain't making the playoffs in the West with Aaron Gordon as his #2 that's for fukking sure
1) There's degrees of mediocrity just as there's degrees of greatness.I agree with everything y’all said. Let me ask y’all something though..we all know Trae is limited on defense, but so are Ja, Luka, Dame, Jokic & others, but why is Trae the only one who’s defense is used against him?
If all these guys are liabilities on defense, how the fukk is a guy who led the league in total points and assists ranked lower than Ja & Luka?
That's the thing:
You got to prove that you can carry at the highest level first, against the best defenses.
You got to prove you don't get rattled when the world is watching.
Every single game in the Finals is pretty much "clutch time".
People didn't want to give Curry credit for 2015, then no credit for 2017 nor 2018. Now they give him full credit for 2022 after carrying and winning against real postseason teams, rightfully so.
Giannis & Curry are 1-2
Personally, I have Joker 3, Luka 4, and Biidy Biid/Tatum at 5
Denver will win 55+ games this upcoming season but they need to make a run. I expect Joker's production to dip a bit but he needs to make it up on def.
Luka is special but he needs to become a Paul Pierce in 08 level defender
Tatum's postseason success & durability is why I can't outright say Biidy Biid should be ranked higher than him
Like I said Curry answered a lot of questions after Winning this last Championship. He affected both ends of the floor. Made key defensive stops/steals, rebounded and he didn't even have to do half of that. He's right there with Giannis. But Jokic is in the top 5 though he is carrying a bad team.