Jon Stewart interviews State Senator Nathan Dahm (R-OK) on America's gun problem. Absolute masterclass (8:27)

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1. Suicide is a crucial point to make given over 50% of all gun deaths are intentionally self inflicted. Many of the countries with the highest rates of suicide have little to no private gun ownership, so saying removing guns reduces suicides isn't backed up by anything, but Copium.

2. If you think more gun laws reduce gun violence, then you have to reconcile with the fact that the majority of gun related homicides occur in cities with the strictest gun laws. Have you looked at the gun laws of Chicago? How have they helped gun violence there?

3. I bet you think the families of shooting victims would feel better if their loved one was gutted with a knife. If you don't think that, then you should see the relevance of discussing countries like the UK, who banned nearly all private gun ownership, but the number of homicides remained constant as criminals simply switched weapons. Talk of reducing gun deaths, without taking into account the general homicide data or numbers is complete nonsense, unless you agree with the first sentence. There is zero data that shows where a country that significantly reduced guns also lowered violent crimes or homicides as a result. It doesn't exist.


4. My points only come across to you as "Whataboutism" because you simply lack the knowledge to properly discuss the topic.

So you want to reduce gun ownership? Why? How many regular citizens each year ward off a crime with their firearm each year? Do you think its less than homicides? Do you think its less than all gun deaths combined? The most conservative estimate is 70,000 cases of firearms used in self defense per year. That's provided by National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). So banning guns to stop 25k homicides, while guns are also used 70k times in self defense makes sense how?

1. Juelzing after I already pointed out why this is goofy.
2. Juelzing by pointing to localities and also while just saying "look at chicago" without actually referencing what gun laws you're talking about. Also ignoring Stewart's point that stricter registration and tracking laws would make law enforcement's job easier.
3. Enacting smarter gun laws to make the families of the victims of gun violence "feel better" is such a stupid argument to make, that I really question your sanity.
4. Way to deflect on the whataboutism, which by the way, you continued to do by using the UK and Chicago (and quite the cherry pick, I might add).

5. You still haven't countered literally any point or question by Jon Stewart in the video.

I'm sure you'd like to keep this merry-go-round going. But I posted this video for a reason. And it wasn't for you to gaslight others and create strawmen.
Clearly, like the State Senator, you don't have any rebuttals or solutions or ideas to the problem at hand.

You only come in here to twist the narrative and argue about semantics.

 

[TEH]

Does he not have a publicist ? It’s crazy how easy it is to body any of these GOP fools because they don’t stand for anything except that they want to own the libs. You just can’t let them off the hook by their usual Tactic of answering some question you didn’t ask

fukk you

I have no idea why you non TLR posters come in here pontificating.

Trying to stop the jokes and the fun. I despise you mother fukkers. I really do.

How that neg taste?

 

[Wildin]

The only thing that would stop gun violence is to criminalize gun ownership. Make owning a gun, illegal. Period. Impossible to do at this point of course, but that’s the only thing that would curb gun violence and mass shootings. So since we can’t just snap our fingers and make guns illegal, we have to deal with a gun happy society. Welcome to America

Making things illegal doesn't stop anything. It might curb some things but it won't stop anything. Meth is illegal. Crack is illegal. Drunk driving is illegal. Stealing from stores is illegal.

We really acting like requiring stricter background checks and longer wait periods and basic stuff like that wouldn’t curb gun violence? Try to shoehorn in a 3rd anecdote in your next response

More strict backgrounds and background checks just kick the can down the road. If you get denied, you're not getting a gun. But whether you go through a loose background check and wait or a 6month, you're still going to be mentally ill or pissed or whatever and going to do what your going to do.

If people who bought the gun had to bring their registered gun every year to a check-in they’d be a lot more careful with their guns. If people had to do some shyt every year with their gun dependent on regulation a lot of these parents who get their guns taken by their kids would be keeping better track of their shyt

Ive got a lot of guns....only thing taking each one to some sort of registration check in would do is just piss me off. It'd be a hassle or an inconvenience but it would have absolutely no bearing on being careful or safe. I can't say whether doing family education would have an effect. For my job I do family education Saturday's mornings from 8 to noon. Families in there with their kids, we go over basic alcohol education, share some tragic stories about kids who died because of overdose on alcohol or drunk driving, sometimes we have guest speakers. Parents cry, sometimes kids cry. I can't say whether or not it really makes a difference. It's an interesting experience for parent and child. I can't say it's anything defining.

 

[Ray D’Angelo Harris]

Making things illegal doesn't stop anything. It might curb some things but it won't stop anything. Meth is illegal. Crack is illegal. Drunk driving is illegal. Stealing from stores is illegal.

More strict backgrounds and background checks just kick the can down the road. If you get denied, you're not getting a gun. But whether you go through a loose background check and wait or a 6month, you're still going to be mentally ill or pissed or whatever and going to do what your going to do.

Ive got a lot of guns....only thing taking each one to some sort of registration check in would do is just piss me off. It'd be a hassle or an inconvenience but it would have absolutely no bearing on being careful or safe. I can't say whether doing family education would have an effect. For my job I do family education Saturday's mornings from 8 to noon. Families in there with their kids, we go over basic alcohol education, share some tragic stories about kids who died because of overdose on alcohol or drunk driving, sometimes we have guest speakers. Parents cry, sometimes kids cry. I can't say whether or not it really makes a difference. It's an interesting experience for parent and child. I can't say it's anything defining.

You wildin. Dapped, undapped, re-dapped

 

[DonRe]

these debates with politicians and idiot voters are futile. They argue on bad faith.

They provide false equivalency rebuttals, outlier examples, or plainly ridiculous pseduo-sociological solutions like solving“fatherless homes” da fukk

Thier ego, regressive base, and cleary indifferent mentality towards the suffering of others, makes these conversations a complete waste.

They dont care they are wrong. Its not about that.

 

[Cakebatter]

1. Juelzing after I already pointed out why this is goofy.
2. Juelzing by pointing to localities and also while just saying "look at chicago" without actually referencing what gun laws you're talking about. Also ignoring Stewart's point that stricter registration and tracking laws would make law enforcement's job easier.
3. Enacting smarter gun laws to make the families of the victims of gun violence "feel better" is such a stupid argument to make, that I really question your sanity.
4. Way to deflect on the whataboutism, which by the way, you continued to do by using the UK and Chicago (and quite the cherry pick, I might add).

5. You still haven't countered literally any point or question by Jon Stewart in the video.

I'm sure you'd like to keep this merry-go-round going. But I posted this video for a reason. And it wasn't for you to gaslight others and create strawmen.
Clearly, like the State Senator, you don't have any rebuttals or solutions or ideas to the problem at hand.

You only come in here to twist the narrative and argue about semantics.

I countered ever point you brought up and all you can say is, "Juelzing". Just admit it you dont know anything about the subject. You watched a podcast, borrowed its talking points, but when confronted with legit arguments, you are left speechless.

1. Name me a country, state, or city where gun regulation reduce violent crimes or homicides?

2. Why does Chicago have so many gun deaths despite the strongest gun laws in the country?

3. Name me a gun regulation that has been proposed that would have stopped the Virginia Tech shooter?

4. You do realize Malcom X, Black Panthers, and MLK jr, were all advocates of gun ownership right? They all would call any black man a fool for trusting their safety to police, especially as I pointed out earlier that SCOTUS ruled in CastleRock vs Gonzalez, that the police have no legal duty or obligation to save your life or property.

 

[Rembrandt]

Not the UK but Japan:

Ikeda school massacre - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So 2 stabbing mass murders: 1 in 2001 killing 8 children and one in 2016 killing 19. Adam Lanza did the same number during one shooting at Sandy Hook. Stephen paddock killed 60 during the las Vegas massacre

People bring up stabbing like the number of those killed and the frequency are even close to the ones here exacerbated by guns

 

[Cakebatter]

So 2 stabbing mass murders: 1 in 2001 killing 8 children and one in 2016 killing 19. Adam Lanza did the same number during one shooting at Sandy Hook. Stephen paddock killed 60 during the las Vegas massacre

People bring up stabbing like the number of those killed and the frequency are even close to the ones here exacerbated by guns

So when the UK banned nearly all gun ownership yet homicdes didnt drop, and stabbing made up the difference, what problem did the gun bans solve?

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

So then there is literally nothing you can do. Regulating guns doesn’t do shyt. Piece by piece they are adding regulations that DO NOTHING to curb gun violence.

Trump removed Bump Stocks because of Vegas, they still killing kids in schools.

What regulation would curb gun violence in America? Seriously. They keep trying to limit shyt and regulate shyt and we still have mass shooting every year.

Cali, the most regulated state leads the league in mass shootings lol

The guy in the video wants to LOOSEN gun restrictions.

Maybe you can try to argue the banning guns won't lower the gun death rate, but that's a different argument.

Getting rid of gun restrictions, however, can INCREASE the gun death rate.

The topic here is about getting rid of restrictions.

 

[Rembrandt]

Name me a country, state, or city where gun regulation reduce violent crimes or homicides?

Japan

Why does Chicago have so many gun deaths despite the strongest gun laws in the country?

Straw purchases hence :"stricter registration and tracking"

Name me a gun regulation that has been proposed that would have stopped the Virginia Tech shooter?

The ones after that made state reporting of court labels mentally ill people quicker to nics since he wasn't legally supposed to been able to purchase them

So when the UK banned nearly all gun ownership yet homicdes didnt drop, and stabbing made up the difference, what problem did the gun bans solve?

Homicides didn't drop at all? Source?.


And I'm more for restrictions not a loosening of thrm

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

So when the UK banned nearly all gun ownership yet homicdes didnt drop, and stabbing made up the difference, what problem did the gun bans solve?

You can't stab a 2-year-old girl with a stray knife....

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

2. Why does Chicago have so many gun deaths despite the strongest gun laws in the country?

Every criminal that HAS a gun in a state like Chicago or NY got it from another state that makes it easy to get gun or from someone who did.

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

Thecoli will sit here and argue to death that getting rid of guns won't decrease gun violence......

Yet, in the same breath, argue that getting rid of drill music (an even more impossible task) somehow would.....

 

[klientel]

when has a debate with a narrow minded stubborn politician ever led to anything productive.

You can hit these fools with fact after fact and it won’t make a bit of difference with them. All they care about is their platform and red vs blue.

 

[Cakebatter]

Every criminal that HAS a gun in a state like Chicago or NY got it from another state that makes it easy to get gun or from someone who did.

Correct. Those are called straw purchases. Its already illegal but there's very little oversight in stopping a gun retailer from selling truckloads of guns to someone who they know is most likely reselling them on the black market. Its easy for a manufacturer to spot, but it negatively affects their bottom line. The ATF can strong arm manufacturers to tip them off to shade retailers. Creating such legislation would directly benefit black communities, without putting any restrictions on legal gun buyers.

So while straw purchases are the primary source if illegal guns in places like LA, Chicago, and NYC. In places like Detroit, kids steal from their parents and neighbors during a robbery to get their guns. There definitely could be new laws in place limit guns in homes of troubled teens. Again another thing groups like the NRA fail to address "In-House". If I had a son who was suffering mental illness or hanging with rift raff, I'd get rid of my guns. Unfortunately, no one talks about this. This solves a lot of school shooter problems.