Jonah, Ezekiel, Samuel, Uzziah, Samson

[JOHN.KOOL]

But didn’t the story of Horus exist bef...

Nah I’m gonna hop out this thread

And your point is......

 

[ba'al]

He is fully man and fully God.

Isn't YHWH infinite, everlasting, all powerful, all knowing. How can a man incarnation be any of that on earth? The trinity theology to me isn't logically sound. A god incarnating into the flesh and praying to himself and worshiping himself to ultimately sacrifice himself to appease himself for the sins of his chosen followers is the doctrine that people follow but i guess whatever makes people happy.

 

[ba'al]

Jesus is not partly anything. He is fully man and fully God. He is fully man because he was living as a full fledged human being with all the drawbacks but he is still fully God because God is WHO he is. Long before he was on the earth in the form of a human being he existed as God in heaven, that is who he is despite the fact he was living as a human being at the time God is still truly who he is. If my consciousness was dumped into your body i would be both you AND me, and living in your body limited by the limitations of your body but im still me, i am me living as you.

You find that confusing because you think of it in the sense of a human, as us humans its impossible to exist as one entity and another all at the same time, but remember God is God and would not be subject to any such limitations.Anything is possible with God.

But yeah man you ain't gotta to elaborate you doctrine anymore. Hey I got one more question if you don't mind to answer which trinity doctrine do you subscribe to exactly.

 

[The M.I.C.]

Thread is ridiculousness.

 

[King Jae]

Then you know God does indeed exist as an entity separate of you who created you, and to whom you will return

You seem to be taking certain things out the scripture and adding your own spin to it, like ego is the devil. The scripture doesn't say that it says clearly the devil is a being, a fallen angel who exists who fell from heaven and is now here on earth.

Not a really a spin...most "devilish" things are done from a place of ego..that's why I made the correlation...have a hard time believing the devil is a separate entity....God and the devil are one in the same just on opposite sides of the spectrum like a yin and yang...if I was to believe scripture he is as powerful as God...and that's not true...that's why I don't get caught up in scripture like that..too much room for personal interpretation...like the whole its cool to have slaves thing...

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

Isn't YHWH infinite, everlasting, all powerful, all knowing. How can a man incarnation be any of that on earth? The trinity theology to me isn't logically sound. A god incarnating into the flesh and praying to himself and worshiping himself to ultimately sacrifice himself to appease himself for the sins of his chosen followers is the doctrine that people follow but i guess whatever makes people happy.

I explained how as a man incarnation he was limited to things of human flesh which is why he existed in another distinct part in heaven, as the father that is indeed infinite and everlasting and all powerful and all knowing, a distinct part of him he drew power from while he lived incarnated and limited as a man.

As i stated before he preyed and worshipped to the father, another distinct part of him because he was living as a human and the way humans can connect to God is thought prayer and worship. So seeing as he was living as a human, with all the limitations of being human the only way to Connect with his Godly form and power while being a human was the same way a human being would have to do it, living as a human meant he had to do everything as a human. Which is why the bible says everything Christ was capable of doing we are capable of doing, he showed us the way to walk and connect with God and the power of God as a human.

He wasn't doing it simply to appease himself, he was sticking to a precedent he had set. When the angels rebelled, Lucifer and the third out of heaven he condemned them to death, spiritual death in the form of eternity in hell for their sin. When Satan tricked adam and eve into eating from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil they knew good and evil, which meant they were capable of choosing and being tempted to choose evil. God knew eventually every man would at some point in life chose to do a wrong, which as a result of his own rule and precedent set when he judged the fallen angels and Lucifer would mean that every man would be condemned also to death, his precedent he set with the fallen angels meant sin had to be recompensed with death. So he came down as a human and suffered that death for us rather than break the judgement and precedent he had set earlier, because if he simply broke it and didn't recompense human sin with death, then he would have had to not recompense the fallen angels sin with death.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

Not a really a spin...most "devilish" things are done from a place of ego..that's why I made the correlation...have a hard time believing the devil is a separate entity....God and the devil are one in the same just on opposite sides of the spectrum like a yin and yang...if I was to believe scripture he is as powerful as God...and that's not true...that's why I don't get caught up in scripture like that..too much room for personal interpretation...like the whole its cool to have slaves thing...

No where in the scripture does it say the devil is as powerful as God, God defeated him and cast him out of heaven so clearly he isn't as powerful as God, that is a false assumption. Believing the devil is as powerful as God is actually completely against scripture.

As for the rest, like i said you are creating your own subjective ideas. Scripture is not up for personal interpretation you must take it for what it says, you are just making up your own interpretation which is completely contradictory of what it actually says and then claiming it is too open for interpretation.

 

[ba'al]

All I'm going to say is if all that you type make sense to you and it makes you a better person than keep following that doctrine.

I explained how as a man incarnation he was limited to things of human flesh which is why he existed in another distinct part in heaven, as the father that is indeed infinite and everlasting and all powerful and all knowing, a distinct part of him he drew power from while he lived incarnated and limited as a man.

As i stated before he preyed and worshipped to the father, another distinct part of him because he was living as a human and the way humans can connect to God is thought prayer and worship. So seeing as he was living as a human, with all the limitations of being human the only way to Connect with his Godly form and power while being a human was the same way a human being would have to do it, living as a human meant he had to do everything as a human. Which is why the bible says everything Christ was capable of doing we are capable of doing, he showed us the way to walk and connect with God and the power of God as a human.

He wasn't doing it simply to appease himself, he was sticking to a precedent he had set. When the angels rebelled, Lucifer and the third out of heaven he condemned them to death, spiritual death in the form of eternity in hell for their sin. When Satan tricked adam and eve into eating from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil she knew good and evil, which meant they were capable of choosing and being tempted to choose evil. God knew eventually every man would at some point in life chose to do a wrong, which as a result of his own rule and precedent set when he judged the fallen angels and Lucifer would mean that every man would be condemned also to death, his precedent he set with the fallen angels meant sin had to be recompensed with death. So he came down as a human and suffered that death for us rather than break the judgement and precedent he had set earlier, because if he simply broke it and didn't recompense human sin with death, then he would would have had to not recompense the fallen angels sin with death.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

All I'm going to say is if all that you type make sense to you and it makes you a better person than keep following that doctrine.

It isn't about making sense to me or making me a better person, it is the truth.

But yeah man you ain't gotta to elaborate you doctrine anymore. Hey I got one more question if you don't mind to answer which trinity doctrine do you subscribe to exactly.

I don't know how to answer that, don't prescribe to any particular doctrine with a fancy name. All these different ideals and viewpoints with different names are the problem, they are all different interpretations of men. I read what the scripture says and i go with what it itself states.

 

[King Jae]

No where in the scripture does it say the devil is as powerful as God, God defeated him and cast him out of heaven so clearly he isn't as powerful as God, that is a false assumption. Believing the devil is as powerful as God is actually completely against scripture.

As for the rest, like i said you are creating your own subjective ideas. Scripture is not up for personal interpretation you must take it for what it says, you are just making up your own interpretation which is completely contradictory of what it actually says and then claiming it is too open for interpretation.

How else am I supposed to interpret it?

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

How else am I supposed to interpret it?

You take it for what it EXPLICITLY STATES. Everything must align what it with explicitly states. But all this stuff of you saying the devil isn't a separate entity when the scripture explicitly states that the devil is a separate being is not correct. All this stuff of you saying God and the devil are one, opposite sides of the spectrum like ying and yang when the scripture doesn't say any of that is incorrect, it says the devil is an angel who wanted to be God, who wanted to rule and rebelled against God. You saying the devil must be as powerful as God is incorrect when the scripture states there is no power like God, the devil and his angels were defeated and cast out of heaven and have already been defeated and are awaiting the day where they judgement will be carried out.

 

[ba'al]

It isn't about making sense to me or making me a better person, it is the truth.



I don't know how to answer that, don't prescribe to any particular doctrine with a fancy name. All these different ideals and viewpoints with different names are the problem, they are all different interpretations of men. I read what the scripture says and i go with what it itself states.

What you was describing sounded like the hypostatic union. Also which of these charts describe how you view the trinity the best.

 

[ba'al]

It isn't about making sense to me or making me a better person, it is the truth.

Every religious minded person claim they are following the truth though and everyone thinks their doctrine is sound. No difference here. So keep following the 3 in 1 Gods doctrine if you like it and it makes sense to you I guess

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

Every religious minded person claim they are following the truth though and everyone thinks their doctrine is sound. No difference here. So keep following the 3 in 1 Gods doctrine if you like it and it makes sense to you I guess

I will prove every single belief false and Jesus Christ as the truth if challenged by anybody