Jonathan Isaac on why he's not getting the vaccine

[Actually6Foot3]

That's called anecdotal evidence and it is 100% unreliable.

Do you mind putting an actual percentage to that?

0% of the people I know. But since you guys are the ones making an argument for long Covid why don’t you tell us what the stats are for young healthy Americans that got over Covid.

Posts inaccurate stats, repeatedly makes the most ridiculous false equivalencies, and then moves the goalposts when proven wrong. Not to mention constantly trying to suggest "only deaths matter" (cause there's "only" 700,000+ deaths) while ignoring millions more with long hospitalizations and Long Covid and a massive burden on our hospital system and health care workers that is now affecting people who don't even have Covid.

People like you are why I left this site.






That's a made-up stat that isn't accurate at all. All 65+ vaccinated and unvaccinated both are just 76% of vaccine deaths, so "unvaccinated elderly" have to be even less than that.

And even though vaccination is very effective, it CLEARLY is not 100% effective among elderly with weak immune systems. For example, in this study:



So even when elderly people get the vaccine, up to 1/4 of them remain vulnerable to hospitalization. So your claim that young people don't need to get the vaccine to protect elderly folk is complete bullshyt.

You gonna admit that having the whole population vaccinated helps protect the elderly, or you got some new goalposts to jump through?

so then why is the coli always sharing articles that 99.9% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated

Health Details

Over 99% Hospitalized 2021 COVID Patients Unvaccinated

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+


where are you getting your stats from? 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated. And 95% of that are elderly people. This is a pandemic of the elderly. I don’t see any data supporting what you’re saying. Again why are y’all pressing young people get the vaccine?

vast majority of young folks will simply stay home once sick. Up to half of hospitalizations are mild or asymptomatic.


Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning

again. WHERE are you getting your stats from?

 

[Actually6Foot3]

I didn't guess, those numbers came straight from the CDC.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true


If you like hard #'s better, official CDC numbers show that over 44,000 Americans in their 40s or younger have died of Covid-19. And that's just confirmed deaths - the true death toll is almost certainly higher due to people who died of heart attacks, blood clots, etc. without being tested. To put it another way, if you're in your 30s then your risk of dying has increased by about 10% compared to before the pandemic began, if you're in your 40s then it's increased by closer to 15%.





What a useless comparison. Why would you divide the # of young people who died by the # of old people who died? If a million more old people die next month, does that somehow decrease the risk for young people?

You don't compare the chance of young people dying of Covid to the chance of old people dying of Covid, you compare the chance of young people dying of Covid to the chances of young people dying from other shyt. And Covid is now:

* the leading cause of death for 35-44 year olds
* the #2 cause of death for 25-34 year olds
* the #4 cause of death for 15-24 year olds

In 2021 your risks of dying if you're in your 30s or 40s has increased 10-15%, the greatest jump in our lifetimes. And you want to minimize that shyt and pretend like it doesn't matter when 44,000 people in their 40s or younger have passed away in just 18 months and it ain't stopping cause dumbfukks like you spread antivaxx shyt online.

That's before you even get into unvaxxed folk spreading the pandemic so it lasts longer, fills up hospital ICUs for longer, and leads to more mutations in the long-term so that this shyt is still around when YOU are in your 40s and 50s, even if you could have deaded it 10-20 years earlier just by getting a fukking shot.

Okay, I really am done now. Feel free to move the goalposts yet again and fill up the thread with more made-up numbers and bullshyt comparisons.

44,000 out of what 100 million citizens in that demographic. you factor in the majority were either obese or had ore existing conditions as well.

Again what is the risk to HEALTHY young Americans? This is the argument Johnathan Isaac is making.

the elderly are filling up ICUs not young Americans.

interesting you bring up variants. I also made the argument that vaccines be sent to Africa. A continent of 1.4 billion that is only 4.4% vaccinated but y’all dikkheads want to give 3rd and 4th boosters here and mandate vaccines to naturally immunized swaths of the population that don’t even need it instead of sending them to places in the world where other vulnerable populations can get it.

imagine that. Elderly populations in Africa suffering and y’all mad some 24 year olds with a .01% chance of dying from the virus won’t get the damn shot And y’all running to get boosters for a smidgen of extra protection while entire continents go without while simultaneously arguing the unvaccinated are spreading the disease.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

0% of the people I know. But since you guys are the ones making an argument for long Covid why don’t you tell us what the stats are for young healthy Americans that got over Covid.
?

I could look up those statistics but I think the conversation would be shorter if you did it because you have a tendency for throwing out data if the cohorts are overweight/obese or if they're too old. Matter of fact I'm not even sure what age group is young enough to not be disregarded by your built in selection bias.

So that's why I asked you to bring in those statistics

 

[Actually6Foot3]

I could look up those statistics but I think the conversation would be shorter if you did it because you have a tendency for throwing out data if the cohorts are overweight/obese or if they're too old. Matter of fact I'm not even sure what age group is young enough to not be disregarded by your built in selection bias.

So that's why I asked you to bring in those statistics

all that just to say you got nothing

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

all that just to say you got nothing

researchers tracked health insurance records of nearly two million people who tested positive for the coronavirus. The researchers found that about 23 percent of the patients sought care for a new post-COVID medical condition one or more months later. Of the people who had mild to moderate cases of COVID-19 that didn't require hospitalization, 27 percent experienced persistent symptoms, as did 19 percent of people who initially reported asymptomatic cases.

http://go.redirectingat.com/?id=100...%20FAIR%20Health%20White%20Paper.pdf&sref=rss

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

all that just to say you got nothing

That previous link was a study of over 2 million people and since you only care about "young" people I'll leave this here

Even mild COVID in young people often leads to long-term symptoms, study finds

 

[karim]

I totally do understand, but the end of the day I can't force a grown adult to something that they don't want to do and neither can you

As I've said before, I can't even convince my siblings to get the vaccine so how do you expect me to convince someone on the internet to do so? I know someone with cancer right now and still won't get the vaccine and there's nothing I can do about it.

Apparently you do not understand, because the government can absolutely force you to do something you don't want to do in the interest of public health.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Apparently you do not understand, because the government can absolutely force you to do something you don't want to do in the interest of public health.

My nikka did you literally not read what I said

I specifically said me and you can't force grown adults to get vaccinated. I never said that the government couldn't.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Over 99% Hospitalized 2021 COVID Patients Unvaccinated

Your article is from way back in May, you dumbass. Delta hadn't even been a major issue yet nor reduced immunity in elderly necessitating booster shots. How many more times are you going to post outdated articles?

I already posted you the DIRECT current data showing that vaccines are 76% effective in reducing hospitalizations in the elderly (though much more effective in the under-65 population), and you try to counter me with an old-ass article that doesn't even include the Delta surge?

Covid-19: Unvaccinated face 11 times risk of death from delta variant, CDC data show

Vaccination helps a ton but unvaccinated elderly still face risk if young people refuse to get vaccinated.

where are you getting your stats from? 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated. And 95% of that are elderly people.

95 Percent of Americans Killed by COVID Were 50+

That's even older, from back in April well before the Delta surge. You can't help yourself.

And wait, so a 50-year-old is "elderly" now? Jada Pinkett Smith, Chris Tucker, Mark Walhberg, Taye Diggs, Mary J. Blige, Elon Musk, Keegan-Michael Key, these are "elderly" people according to your definition?

This is why I said that you constantly move the goalposts. A 50-year-old is not elderly by any definition. No one takes your bullshyt seriously.

again. WHERE are you getting your stats from?

Directly from the CDC. I've posted this 3 times now. Only 74% of Covid deaths are 65+, and that includes vaccinated and unvaccinated both. Over a quarter of Covid-19 deaths have been from folk under 65. Your claim "95% of Covid deaths are unvaccinated elderly" was total bullshyt.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true

 

[Actually6Foot3]

Your article is from way back in May, you dumbass. Delta hadn't even been a major issue yet nor reduced immunity in elderly necessitating booster shots. How many more times are you going to post outdated articles?

I already posted you the DIRECT current data showing that vaccines are 76% effective in reducing hospitalizations in the elderly (though much more effective in the under-65 population), and you try to counter me with an old-ass article that doesn't even include the Delta surge?

Covid-19: Unvaccinated face 11 times risk of death from delta variant, CDC data show

Vaccination helps a ton but unvaccinated elderly still face risk if young people refuse to get vaccinated.




That's even older, from back in April well before the Delta surge. You can't help yourself.

And wait, so a 50-year-old is "elderly" now? Jada Pinkett Smith, Chris Tucker, Mark Walhberg, Taye Diggs, Mary J. Blige, Elon Musk, Keegan-Michael Key, these are "elderly" people according to your definition?

This is why I said that you constantly move the goalposts. A 50-year-old is not elderly by any definition. No one takes your bullshyt seriously.





Directly from the CDC. I've posted this 3 times now. Only 74% of Covid deaths are 65+, and that includes vaccinated and unvaccinated both. Over a quarter of Covid-19 deaths have been from folk under 65. Your claim "95% of Covid deaths are unvaccinated elderly" was total bullshyt.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true

semantics. I've been lumping them in the entire discussion. You're trying to pigeon hole this discussion. No goal post was moved. Go back and look at my responses. Always said >50<now "older Americans" OR with folks between 50-64 being what 90% of that "quarter" and it goes up exponentially from there. Did you even read your own chart? Add up the deaths is 50-64 and then every demographic under that. That group alone is 4-5x the next lowest. I'd say a 55 year old is closer to the latter group than to lump them in with some 20 year olds.

You haven't proved anything against Issacs point for younger Americans.

 

[rantanamo]

The funniest thing I keep reading on the Coli is "Healthy young Americans" as if we have the kind of healthcare system that even half of you know for certain if you have any conditions. People that think they are healthy die everyday in this country, B. None of yay changes the fact that this had always been about protecting everyone that's not you. The fact that we don't give shyt about family,friends,etc had been doubly exposed. We murder/rob/rape/kidnap the ones closest closest to us, so not being considerate enough to realize it ain't about you when it comes to respiratory virus is not surprising. Nucca still talmbout themselves while losing a whole generation of knowledge and leadership so they can eat they bag if flaming hit Cheetos full of shyt they never heard of,while continuing themantra that they don't know what's in the vaccine. History will not be kind to this. We gon be looking dumblike people in the middle ages.

 

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[NSSVO]

Hehehehe

 

[King Sun]

The funniest thing I keep reading on the Coli is "Healthy young Americans" as if we have the kind of healthcare system that even half of you know for certain if you have any conditions. People that think they are healthy die everyday in this country, B. None of yay changes the fact that this had always been about protecting everyone that's not you. The fact that we don't give shyt about family,friends,etc had been doubly exposed. We murder/rob/rape/kidnap the ones closest closest to us, so not being considerate enough to realize it ain't about you when it comes to respiratory virus is not surprising. Nucca still talmbout themselves while losing a whole generation of knowledge and leadership so they can eat they bag if flaming hit Cheetos full of shyt they never heard of,while continuing themantra that they don't know what's in the vaccine. History will not be kind to this. We gon be looking dumblike people in the middle ages.

and homie on his way out of the league.

 

[DonB90]

MAGA ass owners need to go head and cut this bum but they won't