Last few years not really, bills just either dont have the defensive talent to make big plays like chiefs or they either injured
Talent is needed to win no doubt but people go overboard, talking like these games weren't actually played...like Allen didnt have the ball in his hands down a score late in the 4th the last 2 years...like Mr. 6'5, 265 didn't get stuffed on a crucial 4th down last year. If you are in a close game late the talent plea aint pleain. Lamar most def aint getting a pass, let alone pleas in the same boat.When you break a game down to this is when you water down what you're trying to say. For example 2 years ago Chris Jones made a game saving play by pushing an ol into Josh allen which effected his throw. If he didnt make that play bills win because allen had a wide receiver wide open. Having play makers on defense is just as important as whatever qbs are doing on offense, bills haven't had that in some time. Chris Jones was arguably the mvp of that game/playoff run
Im not denying Allen didnt have his chances and fail.I agree but mu dawg Soul is basically saying Allen did everything possible to win these games, so that's why I framed my question that way.
Since you going this route, why stop at Burrow and Hurts? Do the same breakdown you did for those two, about Brady, and tell me how Brady won those games?
At the end of that, just post your TLDR summary: nobody ever actually beat Mahomes, everybody just beat themselves or had help from teammates.
But only right this after you itemize how Brady won vs the Chiefs too
We ain't taking nothing from these guys. Burrow and nem were down big in that first half and came back and won, somebody had to be the QB to engineer that win, at Arrowhead, no less.
Allen has never been down multiple scores in a playoff game and returned with the W. In fact, I remember him being down multiple scores at home vs Burrow and the Bengals and looking flat and shaky AT HOME.
We not taking that W from Burrow when Allen has been in the same situation, but this is my point. Yall grade Allen on a curve.
"He never actually lost a game, his teammates did. His coaches did."
Bro he's had multiple occasions to put games vs KC out of reach and win those games definitively. Don't do this.
The only real pass is the '21 AFC Championship. You don't score with 13 seconds left and expect to lose, not in regulation anyway.
I've seen Pat be down 24+ and come back and win playoff games. Every time Mahomes and Allen play and the game is in the balance late, it's Mahomes making the plays to win.
Allen has had the ball with the game in his hands more than once. Don't do this, g.
Its a team game, no doubt. Things outside the QBs control impact the game and even his own performance, no doubt. Either we acknowledge this all the time with everybody or we dont. Not just gonna be tender for one nikka. I done heard many a QB catch hell for games where a kicker missed, or a WR dropped, or a defense didn't get it done. Either we changing for everybody or nobody.
You speak for yourself breh, dont need to add me in with your nba level discussion nonense
Nah you arent gonna dismiss my point. You know good and well that what I said has happened numerous times. So again if you are one of the few keeping that same energy all around then respect. But what we are not gonna do is ignore the bad faith actors here.
If the QB gets the glory when the team wins then he should get the shame when they lose. Sports is a zero sum game, someone has to win and someone has to lose and in football we give the QB the credit. It just is
Where?
Off the top of my head, Bill Simmons.
Okay, Bill Simmons. There's no sizeable sentiment in support of Allen over Mahomes.
He is the only one I knew off the top and he is a significant voice. I didnt say sizable, I said some and there are others I just dont remember their names and it aint deep enough to research.
"Some" means we need more than Bill Simmons for this to be part of the argument.
