Julius Erving: "Im Taking Kobe Over LeBron"
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Bring back the Golden Era
Lebron and Kobe Stans, welcome to years of debating who's best.
For now cuz MJ got it.
For now cuz MJ got it.
Kobes Two Jerseys
8 or 24 best player of the era
Career highlights and awardsLebron and Kobe Stans, welcome to years of debating who's best.
For now cuz MJ got it.
6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 19871988)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
19× NBA All-Star (19701977, 19791989)
10× All-NBA First Team (19711974, 19761977, 19801981, 1984, 1986)
5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 19781979, 1983, 1985)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (19741975, 19791981)
6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (19701971, 19761978, 1984)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1970)
2× NBA scoring champion (19711972)
NBA rebounding champion (1976)
4× NBA blocks leader (19751976, 19791980)
NBA all-time leading scorer
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
Los Angeles Lakers #33 retired
Milwaukee Bucks #33 retired
3× NCAA champion (19671969)
3× NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (19671969)
2× Associated Press College Basketball Player of the Year (1967, 1969)
2× Oscar Robertson Trophy winner (19671968)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1969)
UCLA #33 retired
As assistant coach:
2x NBA champion (2009, 2010)
Career statistics
Points 38,387 (24.6 ppg)
Rebounds 17,440 (11.2 rpg)
Blocks 3,189 (2.5 bpg)
Stats at NBA.com
Stats at Basketball-Reference.com
Basketball Hall of Fame as player
College Basketball Hall of Fame
Inducted in 2006
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NBA achievements [edit]
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)
6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98
5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998[1][2]
10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 199698[3]
3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 199698, 2002-03[4]
3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998[5]
6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98[6]
1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88[7]
11-time All-NBA selection:
First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98[8][9]
Second Team: 1985[8][9]
9-time All-Defensive selection:
First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98[10][11]
NBA All-Rookie selection:
First Team: 1985[12][13]
NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985[14]
2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987, 1988[15]
Runner-up in 1985
7-time The Sporting News Most Valuable Player: 1987-88, 198889, 199091, 199192, 199596, 199697, 199798
The Sporting News Rookie of the Year: 1985
Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year: 1991
Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 50 Players of All-time[16]
Ranked #1 by ESPN SportsCentury's Top North American Athletes of the 20th Century[17]
Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
Selected in 1996 as member of two of the "Top 10 Teams in NBA History"
1991-92 Chicago Bulls (6715; .817)
1995-96 Chicago Bulls (7210; .878)
United States National Team [edit]
2x Olympic gold medals: 1984, 1992
Pan American Games gold medal: 1983
3x USA Basketball male athlete of the year: 1983, 1984 (with Sam Perkins), 1992 (as a part of the 1992 Olympic Team)
College [edit]
NCAA National Championship - University of North Carolina: 1981-82
3x Atlantic Coast Conference regular season champions: 198182, 198283, 198384 (undefeated)
1982 ACC Tournament champions
ACC Rookie of the Year: 1982
Naismith College Player of the Year: 1984
John R. Wooden Award: 1984
Adolph Rupp Trophy: 1984
USBWA College Player of the Year: 1984
ACC Athlete of the Year: 1984
ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year: 1984
2x The Sporting News College Player of the Year: 1983, 1984
2x Consensus First Team All-American: 1983, 1984
Kobes Two Jerseys
8 or 24 best player of the era
and still, doesn't top Kareem. Kareem played against 37 of the 50 greatest players ever.
Jordan played against 14.
Kareem turned a team with less than 30 wins, into championship contenders his first year with over 55 wins and a trip to the division finals. In comparison, Jordan improved his teams win total by 11 and then lost in the first round. The impact is, by far in huge favor to Kareem.
Kareems teams won 57 games a year on average; Jordans, 49.
Kareems was in the finals for half of his career, compared to 6 seasons out of 15. 50%>40%.
In those finals, Kareem faced teams that, at times, had at the very least, 3 HOFers.
1971 Bullets
Monroe, Unseld
74 Celtics
Havlicek, Cowens
87 Celtics
Bird, Parrish, McHale, Walton
83 6ers,
Erving, Malone
88 Pistons
Dantley, Dumars, Thomas, Rodman
Thats only 5 finals teams, but I'm sure you get the point.
In comparison, the most Jordan ever faced on a team at one time, two.
91 Lakers
Magic, Worthy
92 Blazers
Drexler
93 Suns
Barkley
96 Sonics
No HOFs yet, but I'll say Payton probably will be.
97 Jazz
Stockton, Malone - he will be
98 Jazz
Stockton, Malone - he will be
Thats every time Jordan was in the finals, I'm sure you get the point.
Kareem was in the conference finals 70% of his career, in comparison, Jordan was in the conference finals, 50% of the time.
70>50.
Kareems team had 18 winning seasons in the 19 he played. In comparison,
Jordans teams had winning seasons 10 out of 14 times.
Kareem won a Finals MVP at the age of 37.
In comparison,
Jordan was retired for the second time.
At the age of 38, Kareem was still averaging over 23 points a game which was an improvement from his four prior seasons.
In comparison Jordan, a smidge under 23 and much lower than his previous 4 seasons.
Kareem 6 rings=Jordans 6 rings
Kareems 6 MVPs>Jordans 5 MVPs
Jordans 6 FMVPs>Kareems 2 FMVPs
Jordans PPG > Kareems
All time leading scorer-Kareem
Most unblockable shot-Kareem
Michael Jordan was an all time great no doubt, but when you unmask the beast that was Kareem Abdul Jabbar, the facts just show he was the better winner, leader and champion.
Before you retort that "Kareem had Magic and Oscar", Oscar never won without Kareem,
and Magic, despite having the same exact team, never won without Kareem.
Not really a coincidence as to how much he impacted his teams success.
resume for resume Kareem got MJ topped
only reason most people say MJ the GOAT is cause he was more flashy and came when mass media exploded
ESPN made Jordan
only reason most people say MJ the GOAT is cause he was more flashy and came when mass media exploded
ESPN made Jordan
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
no jordan made espn
jordan made pippen the player he became, oscar and magic are arguably top 10 players ever, hell top 5 even. pippen might not even crack top 50 in the next 10-20 years.
its fukkin MAGIC JOHNSON for fukks sake.. its like if jordan played with bird or fukkin duncan and shyt. magic and oscar >>>>>>>>>>>> all of jordan's teammates combined
rookie magic went ham in his first finals appearance, winning finals MVP.
as a rookie.
not to mention kareem hadn't won shyt with the lakers til magic got there and started tearing shyt up.
let's not forget pippen's rookie stats: 7.9 ppg, 3.8 reb, 2 assists.
Jordan made pippen. Kareem didn't make magic the player he became, Magic was destined for greatness regardless.
fukkin magic and oscar robertson. >>>>>>
Nah
You draft players based on potential, especially high schoolers
That has absolutely notjing to do woth comparing two guys who have been in the league for over a decade
Nintendough
#Kliq
Why would an all-time great like Dr. J be jealous of Lebron?
Man meet me at the corner store right now
Lets shoot this 5 and see who's better Kobe or lebron
JoseLuisGotcha
Aka Allhiphopsux
Dr. J is the GOAT 6er so his word is gospel to me 