"Just because Communisim LOST...doesn't mean Capitilisim WON..."

[Chris.B]

I didn't know it was a competition

You are definitely trolling at this point or you missed HS

 

[The Real]

not really, i wouldnt concede that point because the soviet union and other communist countries also had access to to free or cheap labor, cheap land and vast resources

The Soviets had slaves and colonies in resource-rich areas? I'm actually surprised that you would downplay the history of slavery (and by extension, colonialism) by comparing it to the mundane conditions of the Soviet Union. There's really no connection here.

i didnt say it had anything to do with capitalism vs communism, you did

So then you admit it was an irrelevant point?

you said that the economic past of the soviet union and other communist countries is why they failed, the economic past of the soviet union is feudalism

Yes. Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. It sounds like you're conceding my point.

 

[theworldismine13]

The Soviets had slaves and colonies in resource-rich areas? I'm actually surprised that you would downplay the history of slavery (and by extension, colonialism) by comparing it to the mundane conditions of the Soviet Union. There's really no connection here.

russia has and had vast natural resources, im not downplaying the history of slavery, im equating feudalism to slavery, feudalism was not mundane, feudalism like slavery was a violation of individual and economic rights and a way to extract cheap labor from a population

So then you admit it was an irrelevant point?

yeah i agree that the economic past of the soviet union is not relevant to the original question, countries have shown the ability to switch economic systems in a matter of years, so the past is not determinant

Yes. Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. It sounds like you're conceding my point.

im not, im just responding to the point you made about the soviet union's past

 

[the next guy]

the soviet union collapsed because of the greed. so did the fianancial system. Truth is humans love money and power. Saying communism has failed is like saying will smith has not won an oscar, or that New York is better then Tokyo. In some cases its true, in some cases its not. China, has not failed. But Russia did. Yet the US almost did as well. Its more people than the system.

 

[the next guy]

another smart dumb n!gga comment.

I bet he enjoys living in America. Tell him to spend a week in NKorea.

Human nature by default is capitalistic....if I work hard for my stuff it's mine

You are definitely trolling at this point or you missed HS

So how long do we tolerate this?


get lost, you know nothing about economics.

 

[Chris.B]

the soviet union collapsed because of the greed. so did the fianancial system. Truth is humans love money and power. Saying communism has failed is like saying will smith has not won an oscar, or that New York is better then Tokyo. In some cases its true, in some cases its not. China, has not failed. But Russia did. Yet the US almost did as well. Its more people than the system.

Natural human behavior will always prevail in the end.

When I work for something, it's mine.
You try to share what I have worked hard for with people who refuse to work as hard will lead to me working less hard, thereby becoming unproductive.

You have to reward winners and let losers suffer the consequence.
It's a natural human instinct.

Also China is no longer "communist"

 

[Type Username Here]

the soviet union collapsed because of the greed. so did the fianancial system. Truth is humans love money and power. Saying communism has failed is like saying will smith has not won an oscar, or that New York is better then Tokyo. In some cases its true, in some cases its not. China, has not failed. But Russia did. Yet the US almost did as well. Its more people than the system.

China is a capitalist country. Don't let it fool you. It has over 10 billionaires and countless millionaires. Their military and government oligarchy is almost directly led by people from the highest social orders.

 

[the next guy]

Natural human behavior will always prevail in the end.

When I work for something, it's mine.
You try to share what I have worked hard for with people who refuse to work as hard will lead to me working less hard, thereby becoming unproductive.

You have to reward winners and let losers suffer the consequence.
It's a natural human instinct.

That's right and when you lose don't complain

China is a capitalist country. Don't let it fool you. It has over 10 billionaires and countless millionaires. Their military and government oligarchy is almost directly led by people from the highest social orders.

True. I should say state capitalism. Almost anything material good in the US is available in China

 

[theworldismine13]

the soviet union collapsed because of the greed. so did the fianancial system. Truth is humans love money and power. Saying communism has failed is like saying will smith has not won an oscar, or that New York is better then Tokyo. In some cases its true, in some cases its not. China, has not failed. But Russia did. Yet the US almost did as well. Its more people than the system.

the soviet union failed because communism is an inefficient way of distributing resources

communism failed in china and then china turned to capitalism

 

[the next guy]

the soviet union failed because communism is an inefficient way of distributing resources

communism failed in china and then china turned to capitalism

Why don't you ever tell the whole story?


The soviet union was already spending too much on the military. What about taking care of the people. They sure forThey it had the political power struggles, a coup and the country fell. got that part of communism.The whole system and culture failed. Because of greed. because people always want more power. Not just the economic parts.

China was State capitalism. They switched over and now arguably are the country that can go head to head with the US militarily

 

[daze23]

Are you serious?

You've never read Marx's argument against Capitalism, which might be one of the most important things ever written?

It is absolutely a competition. They are contrasting in every single way.

One thing to note, there has never been a true Marxist state, just warped takes on it. In Communist countries that we have known, the pyramid structure still exists (few at top, most at bottom). Best examples of this is China and Venezuela. Hugo Chavez died a very rich men. So, instead of becoming a rich CEO who can lobby the government, you know become a high ranking government official. That is NOT Marxism.

True Marxism approaches classical anarchism.

I'm not sure how any of that makes it a competition, with a "winner" and a "loser"

has there ever been a "true capitalist state"?

 

[theworldismine13]

Why don't you ever tell the whole story?


The soviet union was already spending too much on the military. What about taking care of the people. They sure forThey it had the political power struggles, a coup and the country fell. got that part of communism.The whole system and culture failed. Because of greed. because people always want more power. Not just the economic parts.

China was State capitalism. They switched over and now arguably are the country that can go head to head with the US militarily

i have no idea what you are taking about, is this some alternative history from a different timeline? what issue of X-men is this from?

communism failed because it couldn't compete with capitalistic countries, thats pretty much it, all countries have greedy people and political turmoil

and china turned from a communist country to a capitalist country, im not sure why you are disputing that, sure the state is more involved than in other capitalistic countries but china is still capitalist and it has rejected communism because it was found to be inefficient and non competitive

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

@TrueEpic08 bless us with your thoughts if you have time, please.

 

[the next guy]

I'm not sure how any of that makes it a competition, with a "winner" and a "loser"

has there ever been a "true capitalist state"?

No. There hasn't

The US is not one. Bailouts for big banks is socialist at best.

i have no idea what you are taking about, is this some alternative history from a different timeline? what issue of X-men is this from?

communism failed because it couldn't compete with capitalistic countries, thats pretty much it, all countries have greedy people and political turmoil

and china turned from a communist country to a capitalist country, im not sure why you are disputing that, sure the state is more involved than in other capitalistic countries but china is still capitalist and it has rejected communism because it was found to be inefficient and non competitive

You didn't know of the Soviet government coup of 1991?

 

[Chris.B]

I'm not sure how any of that makes it a competition, with a "winner" and a "loser"

has there ever been a "true capitalist state"?

it is impossible to have a pure 100% of everything but the US is pretty close to about 80% capitalism.

In communist countries the leaders live better than the people...so that system is not 100% pure either