Just remember, when ppl tell you how much more skilled the big man is today compared to previous eras.....

[Ozymandeas]

They had Chet guarding Haliburton and SGA guarding Myles

Say what you will about the 90s and the 2000s but, the Big men back then would've feasted on a 6"6 guard playing defense on them.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

At least they knew to get their big ass in the paint to rebound and rim protect.




Turner soft ass is averaging like 2 rebounds a game and hanging out on the perimeter chucking 3's...



I'd rather have my 5 play like a 5...but you're a known water carrier for today's game so...

Why are you so intent on telling on yourself for not knowing what it is you're watching?

i do agree the game is more skilled today.. but with that.. the players r less disciplined..

where as back in the day.. big knew not to shoot 3s... so he was in the post all day .. now a big can do whatever.. so they do whatever despite it not working all the time

This leaves out arguably the most integral thing about being able to produce efficient and consistent offense - floor spacing.

Over time teams have come to realize that just posting-up with whatever bigs you have isn't going to win you games. It's not going to help create driving lanes for players to get to the rim; it's not going to help create open scoring opportunities where defenders are scrambling trying to defend shots; it's not going to wear down defenses who're exhausting themselves defending all the space; it's not going to help create rhythm and maximize points per possession.

Just because something happened back in the day doesn't mean it was the best method to win games.

I really don't know why we need to keep having this conversation.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They had Chet guarding Haliburton and SGA guarding Myles

Say what you will about the 90s and the 2000s but, the Big men back then would've feasted on a 6"6 guard playing defense on them.

No they wouldn't have.

Because it wouldn't just be a 6-6 guard defending them. It would be the 6-6 guard, with multiple help defenders sitting in the pockets on either side of them waiting for them turn. They'd also have to contest with the officiating where the smaller defender would get away with a lot more contact, and if they used even 1/10th of the same physical force to move the smaller defender out of the way, they could be whistled for it, quickly putting themselves in foul trouble.

Furthermore, there's only a remote handful of bigs in NBA history who're good enough to run a high-level, championship offense through the post (even fewer if you put them in today's game), so just inserting any old big man from the past to take advantage of a smaller guard wouldn't result in shyt.

You think a team is winning anything using the likes of Dale Davis to post-up smaller guards?

 

[NYC Rebel]

No they wouldn't have.

Because it wouldn't just be a 6-6 guard defending them. It would be the 6-6 guard, with multiple help defenders sitting in the pockets on either side of them waiting for them turn. They'd also have to contest with the officiating where the smaller defender would get away with a lot more contact, and if they used even 1/10th of the same physical force to move the smaller defender out of the way, they could be whistled for it, quickly putting themselves in foul trouble.

Furthermore, there's only a remote handful of bigs in NBA history who're good enough to run a high-level, championship offense through the post (even fewer if you put them in today's game), so just inserting any old big man from the past to take advantage of a smaller guard wouldn't result in shyt.

You think a team is winning anything using the likes of Dale Davis to post-up smaller guards?

Dale Davis post moves were the ABSOLUTE WORST and why to this day I shyt on those low scoring Knicks vs Pacers games of the 90s.

They would at times deliberately dump the ball into him to watch him work.

 

[Art Barr]

Ric carlisle undermines leadership and has no idea about frontcourt depth. That ric was fired on three stops for this before.

Plus ruined bender too.
Now carlisle is jag'n away home court advantage. After the leader.
ric undermined in haliban got them home court advantage For dolo. Plus mathurin willed them a lead.

What do they get in return for ramping under duress.
Undermined and made a mockery of. By some ol school celtic pride style bullshyt mental game. That ric was subjected to in boston vs ainge. That you can watch it on a documentary of ric as a rook in boston. Yet in boston that silly shyt cost them and had an endgame at least. In this instance.
There is no endgame. Besides ric trying to coach using a avatar style backcourt in nesmith and nembhard.
To watch nembhard dribble the air out the cot damn ball with no purpose.
Plus nesmith is too small to play the three. While both those busters undermine haliban leadership on court.

So instead of a lineup of doom starters in indy :

haliban
Mathurin
obi
Pascal
Turner


We get a bron james cleveland backcourt with nesmith and nembhard. Plus no size and no above the rim play in the paint.
From benching obi.
when obi was acquired to be a higher pedigree college vet version of aaron gordon.

If i am bird. I got ric pink slip. If they lose the finals
Just like i had for him previously.
As well as detroit and dallas had too.

Ric. If you lose.
The Knicks is hiring.



Art Barr

Ric = self sabotage avatar style coaching

If that goofie fail to win.
They need to black ball him for never having a team properly vet'd.

Plus for not having proper management of the roster. Which is how malice in the palace popped off.

Plus if rick loses. It speaks volumes.
about how his avatar style coaching does not provide leadership.
That could result in another melee like malace in the palace.



Art Barr

I guess white privilege.
allows you to be a matt millen level fukk up. In any and every regard. While being rewarded.
For being and showing no heart or savy. to truly win under duress.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I'd rather have my 5 play like a 5...but you're a known water carrier for today's game so...

If some older head in 1997 kept barking endlessly about how much the modern game sucked then and how in his mind the 1950s & ‘60s NBA was far superior, you’d look at him as an out of touch, annoying a$$hole

 

[Art Barr]

You can't directly compare eras.....in ANY sport. The game and the players evolve

The average NBA big man today is wayyyyyyy more skilled than the average big man 40 years ago. Just like the average nfl defense is lightyears beyond defenses 40 years ago, ect.

Its all the other shyt around them that changes which warps people's perception. Maybe schemes, rules, pacing, ect change and thats exactly why its impossible to compare them.

Now there will be outliers and supremely talented people who transcend eras, but those people are rare. Its just how humans work lol, we get better at shyt over time. It literally applies to everything

How are big men more skilled.

When they do not even have a new age replacement.
for john thompson on any level of play?

Sohh who is this big whisper style coach. Giving all these new wave younger bigs pedigree.

The bigs now are as skilled as yinka dare collectively.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

If some older head in 1997 kept barking endlessly about how much the modern game then sucked and how in his mind ball in the 1950s & ‘60s was way superior, you’d look at him as as an out of touch, annoying a$$hole

This is cap and a conflated argument.


So who are these pro style coaches like dean smith and john thompson on the aau circuit, college and high school level. To so called make these players be so advanced tho?


Art Barr

 

[Bigwhite2498]

At least they knew to get their big ass in the paint to rebound and rim protect.




Turner soft ass is averaging like 2 rebounds a game and hanging out on the perimeter chucking 3's...



I'd rather have my 5 play like a 5...but you're a known water carrier for today's game so...

Turner does protect the rim tho??