Just so we're clear on what and who the Moors are

[hu3ypdadon]

Has anyone seen the documentary on Netflix called "Invasion 1897" ? The britts was using Moors/another African Tribe to kill the Benin Kingdom..I encourage yall to check it out

 

[Samori Toure]

and there were Jewish nazi collaborators.
nobody uses that as an argument for them getting compensation for the Holocaust

Long before there were Nazis there were Europeans that brutalized (raped, tortured, killed) Africans in the slave trade. The Europeans also did the same in colonialism in Africa. If we keeping it real then we will agree that some Africans collaborated in slavery and colonialism. The Europeans even set those Africans up as flunky leaders after the Europeans left and those flunkies are still keeping Africans down to this very day.

But you don't here me though.

 

[hu3ypdadon]

You're a smart dumb nikka who act like a scholar phd because you went to Africa.
It's not a mystery the moors enslaved different people including blacks, whites, etc. They got enslaved because they didn't know the europeans had plans to enslave the whole black race. At that time they dealt with nacionality and not race.

 

[Dzali OG]

Western Sahara - History

The Almoravid dynasty was a Berber dynasty that controlled Morocco and Iberia. They were largely Berbers. The MAJORITY of the Moors were Berbers along with some West Africans. The original term meant the Black inhabitants of Northwest Africa.



http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=moor



Then why the heck are we babbling about Aboriginal Black Berbers from NW.Africa selling supposedly helping Europeans colonizing Africa and sell Africans. When... Africans like the Ashanti, Dahomey and other coastal Africans sold other Africans in large numbers. The Ethiopians during colonization not only colonized OTHER Africans such as the Oromos and Niotic groups but AIDED the British against the Somalis and N.Sudanese. Can't have it one way.


Who cares if they were referred to Moors. They were NOT the Moors that invaded/conquered Iberia. The ones everyone talks about. Which the term was originally used for. if that's your case then fine. But there is zero evidence those Black Berber supposedly helped aided Europeans during colonization. lol!



WTF!??? Estevanico(the explorer you're referring to) was a freaking slave! What does was he plotting??


Estevanico Facts - North American Explorer

Then you guys whine when I call yall hoteps.



??????

It was just a treaty. And Morocco wasn't so mighty at that time as there was a lot of instability especially with the Arabs vs Black Berbers. Who I already MENTIONED to you about Arab elite being in control by then.



Yea not gonna bother with this. Aren't you the same person who believes African-Americans are indignous to America?

Ehhh, I've lost focus now but will say this, there is a lot of written history which is false or half truths. You must use your own wisdom to piece this shyt together.

And I never implied aa's are a monolithic group descending from indigenous blacks. I merely state we have lineage to those murdered, indigenous blacks. The majority of them were slaughtered.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Ehhh, I've lost focus now but will say this, there is a lot of written history which is false or half truths. You must use your own wisdom to piece this shyt together.

And I never implied aa's are a monolithic group descending from indigenous blacks. I merely state we have lineage to those murdered, indigenous blacks. The majority of them were slaughtered.

The point of the argument was me asking for evidence for those Black Berbers(Moors) owning/selling Black slaves/aiding Europeans in colonization. Since many in this thread are saying it was a big phenomenon. So far no one showed anything besides non-Berber Muslims. I know there is a lot of written history which is false or half truth but its not the point I was arguing against but people randomly sprouting shyt but not being able to back it up. And then when pressed on it they act like you are speaking another language.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Long before there were Nazis there were Europeans that brutalized (raped, tortured, killed) Africans in the slave trade. The Europeans also did the same in colonialism in Africa. If we keeping it real then we will agree that some Africans collaborated in slavery and colonialism. The Europeans even set those Africans up as flunky leaders after the Europeans left and those flunkies are still keeping Africans down to this very day.

But you don't here me though.

I wasn't going at you bro. I was just pointing something out in regards to the "blacks sold themselves into slavery thing"

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Let me just clarify. nikkas in this thread believe THESE freaking people....

Serving under these European officers was an ethnically-mixed African soldiery, who eventually became comparable to British or Imperial German Askaris. Many were recruited or conscripted from warrior tribes in the Haut-Congo, others were drawn from Zanzibar and West Africa (Nigerian Hausas). The role required of the Force Publique was that of both defending Free State territory and of internal pacification.[3] The Force Publique fought in the Congo Arab war (1892–1894) against the African and Arab slavers like Zanzibari/Swahili strongman Tippu Tip.

Force Publique - Wikipedia


were the SAME as THESE people...

tells you who doesn't study African history.

 

[Grano-Grano]

nikkas mad that the Moors were Black Muslims. That's the only reason you hoteps are acting out against them. So amusing.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

nikkas mad that the Moors were Black Muslims. That's the only reason you hoteps are acting out against them. So amusing.

Its funny how they ALWAYS bring up slavery when it comes to Muslim African history whether it be the Moors, Malian/Songhay, Somalis, etc. But NEVER talk about the non-Muslims Coastal West Africans who's economies were actually BASED ON selling slaves.

From the 1640s, four inland states near the Gulf of Guinea were growing in wealth and power from the slave trade. The kingdom of Oyo, around 300 kilometers (190 miles) inland, was the most successful of these kingdoms. It benefited from terrain sufficiently unforested and free of the tsetse fly and other disease carrying insects to allow for the breeding of horses. The Oyo kingdom used cavalry effectively in expanding southward where savanna split coastal forest. Oyo forced the coastal kingdom of Allada to pay it tribute, and it gained direct access to trade with Europeans. Oyo was a slave state, and its king used slave labor on his vast farmlands. In wars, Oyo took more slaves than it needed for the royal farms, and it traded them to the Europeans for guns, cloth, metal goods and cowry shells. It traded also with Africans to its north for horses and for more captives for the slave trade. And the kingdom acquired wealth by taxing trade that crossed its territory to and from Hausaland.

Another power in the region was the kingdom of Abomey, which was founded in the early 1600s by the brother of the king of Allada, a coastal kingdom that had grown wealthy from the slave trade. The brother, Do-Aklin, cut off village chiefs from having any say in selecting his successor. Rule in Abomey passed to his grandson, Wegbaja, who consolidated his power – while both Allada and Abomey were paying tribute to the more powerful kingdom of Oyo. In Abomey human sacrifices were used to honor the king's ancestors – the sacrifices usually captives from warfare.

West of Abomey were the Ashanti (Asanti), who were dominated by the Denkera to their southwest, to whom the Ashanti paid tribute. The primary political unit among the Ashanti had been the village, governed by clan elders. In the 1660s, an Ashanti warrior named Osei Tutu grouped clan chiefs around him and formed an alliance with the leading Ashanti religious figure, Anokye. They created a golden stool, representing power and spiritual unity, on which the ruler of the Ashanti was to sit, and they sanctified the golden stool with sacrifices.
Osei Tutu and Anokye extended their power across Ashanti chiefdoms, unifying the Ashanti. And with the power that accrued from this unity, the Ashanti defeated the Denkera and absorbed some of their subject states. These victories gave the Ashanti contact with the Europeans, to whom they sold slaves. And the Ashanti began an expansion inland for more slaves and for gold.

Meanwhile, Oyo cavalry invaded the Abomey four times, but Abomey retained enough power to expand against Allada on the coast. The king of Abomey, Agaja, was interested in buying arms from the Europeans. Conquering Allada in the 1720s gave him access to European trading. The enlarged rule of Agaja became known as Dahomey, and it began to prosper from the sale of slaves to the Europeans.

Slavery and the Kingdoms of Oyo, Dahomey and Asante


^^Not a single peep on that. lol.

 

[Grano-Grano]

Its funny how they ALWAYS bring up slavery when it comes to Muslim African history whether it be the Moors, Malian/Songhay, Somalis, etc. But NEVER talk about the non-Muslims Coastal West Africans who's economies were actually BASED ON selling slaves.


Slavery and the Kingdoms of Oyo, Dahomey and Asante


^^Not a single peep on that. lol.

Exactly. The hypocrisy is obvious. It's sad as well. If we can't keep it a hundred about our history. What else can we keep it a buck about?

 

[Samori Toure]

I wasn't going at you bro. I was just pointing something out in regards to the "blacks sold themselves into slavery thing"

I get it. People tend to look at stuff simplistically, but Black people did sale each other into slavery. Now what is missing from the statement is that among themselves Black people in Africa sold their war prisoners captured in warfare into slavery. So it was warfare among African ethnic groups that ended up with other ethnic groups being sold.

That is no different than the Romans enslaving the Germans and English or the Japanese enslaving the Chinese and Koreans. The fact of the matter is that it happened.

 

[Samori Toure]

Its funny how they ALWAYS bring up slavery when it comes to Muslim African history whether it be the Moors, Malian/Songhay, Somalis, etc. But NEVER talk about the non-Muslims Coastal West Africans who's economies were actually BASED ON selling slaves.


Slavery and the Kingdoms of Oyo, Dahomey and Asante


^^Not a single peep on that. lol.

Yup. Not one word. No talk about how the Chiefs in Kongo undermined the ManiKongo which led to the fall of Kongo and the enslavement of countless Kongolese and Angolan citizens.

No talk about how Igbo tribes fought and enslaved or tricked each other through long JuJu into slavery. No talk about Dioula people enslaving and selling Tikar tribes (Bamoun/Bamileke/Tikar) Cameroon. No talk about how people were enslaved by other Africans in Mozambique and Madagascar. No talk about how the Ashanti chased and enslaved other Akan people like the (Brong/Abron and Baoule). No talk of the Dagomba. No talk of the Kru/Krahn leading expeditions in land from Liberia and Sierra Leone to enslave Mande people. Never any talk about what the nonMuslim Africans did.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Yup. Not one word. No talk about how the Chiefs in Kongo undermined the ManiKongo which led to the fall of Kongo and the enslavement countless Kongolese and Angolan citizens.

No talk about how Igbo tribes fought and enslaved or tricked each other through long JuJu into slavery. No talk about Dioula people enslaving and selling Tikar tribes (Bamoun/Bamileke/Tikar) Cameroon. No talk about how people were enslaved by other Africans in Mozambique and Madagascar. No talk about how the Ashanti chased and enslaved other Akan people like the (Brong/Abron and Baoule). No talk of the Dagomba. No talk of the Kru/Krahn leading expeditions in land from Liberia and Sierra Leone to enslave Mande people. Never any talk about what the nonMuslim Africans did.

becuz...Muzies bad! dey c00ns for da aiRAB man! Izlam is da religion of da asians!

But seriously how could the "Moors" help colonize Africa when Morocco/Algeria were TOO colonized by the French? No sense.

And I can go further... No one talks about the pure African Ancient Kemetians oppressing the people south of them.

 

[LoStranger]

I just want to say big shutout to @Diasporan Royalty and @Akan for bringing facts and receipts to the table and shutting the hotepness down.

Seriously guys it's 2018 yall all have an internet connection you need to do your homework and use critical thinking when it comes to things like this. And please for the love of god STOP listening to these Youtube hotep nikkas that just got out of jail they've NO idea what they're talking about...

 

[Samori Toure]

becuz...Muzies bad! dey c00ns for da aiRAB man! Izlam is da religion of da asians!

But seriously how could the "Moors" help colonize Africa when Morocco/Algeria were TOO colonized by the French? No sense.

And I can go further... No one talks about the pure African Ancient Kemetians oppressing the people south of them.

It is amazing at the twisting of facts that people have to do fit their narratives. I am not even Muslim, but I know that the Muslims have not been anymore evil than Christians when it comes to Africans. Hell Africans that are not Muslim have treated other Africans worse than any other group. I acknowledge that it was largely along ethnic lines just like Europeans and Asians treated each other badly along ethnic lines; but it happened.