Kamala destroys her political future trying to be cool

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not calling for the abolishing of ice isn't the same as voicing support for them. you can be against their concentration camps while seeing the need for immigration enforcement.

and the brown people who vote ain't supporting them like they should anyway so why alienate voters in hopes of courting people who will abandon you in short order.
my guess is because the strategy is to get more people to vote, so they can actually beat republicans in 2020.

a large number of latinos aren't activated. this is a strategy to do it. i think activating non-voters is a better strategy then trying to win over center leaning right wingers, we've seen they'll vote for trump. even if they aren't down with trump 100%.

it's a numbers game. black people ain't gonna abandon the democratic party over this and the white people who want walls are already supporting MAGA.
 

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Abolish ice has got to be one of the dumbest slogans ever, it’s literally supported by nobody

Gilium had abolish ice in his ads that’s why he lost
 
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my guess is because the strategy is to get more people to vote, so they can actually beat republicans in 2020.

a large number of latinos aren't activated. this is a strategy to do it. i think activating non-voters is a better strategy then trying to win over center leaning right wingers, we've seen they'll vote for trump. even if they aren't down with trump 100%.

it's a numbers game. black people ain't gonna abandon the democratic party over this and the white people who want walls are already supporting MAGA.

Yeah exactly, that strategy worked so well in Florida..... oh wait
 
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gilium lost because hispanics could give two fukks about a abolish ice and neither do black people

Anybody that thinks ‘abolish ice’ will bring people to the polls is a complete moron

It's the weekend. Shouldn't you be in Mexico buying p*ssy or does the caravan have you shook?
 

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it's fukk ICE, but not ONE POSTER has explained why this is a good thing for dems to campaign on and who it's swaying that was undecided. this is embarrassing

The ultimate purpose of ICE was to basically catch known or suspected terrorist coming off a plane from Bumfukkamara, Afghanistan.

Republicans have basically Militarized ICE

It's the biggest joke and it doesn't work becuz frankly speaking, we know who the real terrorist are. :mjpls:
 

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abolish ice is a terrible slogan outside of NYC and california, and anyone who disagrees is a fukking idiot
I agree that it doesn't work very well as a slogan yet because people are ignorant as hell. Thinking that "abolish ICE" means that we're gonna stop enforcing immigration would be like thinking that "abolish private prisons" means we're then just gonna release all the convicts out onto the street.

The idea is absolutely necessary, it just needs to be communicated to ignorant voters. When you poll voters on all the major immigration controversies, the majority fall on the Democratic side of damn near every one. People don't want a wall, they don't want random non-criminals forcibly deported, they want a path to citizenship for the DACA kids, they don't want children separated from parents, etc. The majority of the populace wouldn't want ICE if they knew what it meant.



So what will abolishing ICE do to fix all that? Immigration enforcement will still be done by some agency, just like it was before ICE.

Why not just focus on stopping their abuses instead of saying 'abolish ICE', which might make people think you're saying not to enforce immigration law period? Won't the agency that takes over its role just continue the same abuses under a new name?
You seem to have no clue what's going on, and that's why you're mad.

ICE operates as it's own agency outside of all the other law enforcement agencies in the Department of Justice. Other law enforcement like the FBI are subject to the DOJ, have checks and balances and follow established procedure. ICE is off on its own in Homeland Security with no meaningful accountability, and it's become a rogue agency.

Even ICE agents are calling for ICE to be disbanded. They say the problems are too severe to just "change the culture", and the only way to change it is to scrap it completely and start over again:

19 ICE agents write letter calling on Homeland Security to abolish the controversial agency



No one really knows what ICE is supposed to be. Politicians love that

“The progressive call to ‘abolish ICE’ is not just a knee-jerk anger at cops,” said Moira Whelan, a former DHS official who also worked on the first Congressional oversight committee for the agency. “It is also a recognition that they aren’t doing what we built them to do.”

ICE’s primary mission is to “prevent acts of terrorism by targeting the people, money, and materials that support terrorist and criminal activities,” as described by the Department of Justice in 2004. The focus was meant to be on crimes like money-laundering and human trafficking, and ways terrorists could get anything from small pox to suitcase bombs into the country.

But did ICE make sense on its own? In 2004, the conservative Heritage Foundation suggested ICE be merged out of existence, by combining it with the new border force, Customs and Border Protection. And in 2005, the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general concurred in a 175-page report (pg. 19) that there was little reason for ICE to have been created at all:

We could not find any documentation that fully explains the rationale and purpose behind ICE’s composition. One senior official offered the following explanation…ICE was established with not a focus on supporting a particular mission, but on building an institutional foundation large enough to justify a new organization.

Were ICE to just focus on immigration fraud, employee sanctions, and removing dangerous people who were illegally already in the country, it would be a small agency, the report notes. Instead, though, ICE was “sized up,” to become a large bureaucracy in its own right.

ICE currently maintains over 40,000 beds worth of people who crossed the border illegally, and private contractors are big beneficiaries of these detentions—Geo Group and CoreCivic both made about a quarter of their revenue from ICE contracts in 2017. ICE estimates that the cost to the US taxpayer per bed is about $126 per day, though the Government Accountability office thinks that’s too low.

Today, only the agency’s 6,000 Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agents are tasked with ICE’s original mission: tracking terrorism and transnational crime syndicates in the US and around the world. About 8,000 ICE agents are dedicated to locating, arresting, detaining, and removing undocumented immigrants; the agency’s 1,100 attorneys and 300 staff also prosecute the government’s immigration cases each year.

As Whelan points out, the focus on immigration violations is a clear sign of drift from ICE’s original mission, when “the transnational crime prospect was the major priority, not moms with three year olds crossing the border, not farm workers or people seeking political asylum.” While ICE isn’t responsible for carrying out Trump’s controversial policy of taking immigrant children from their parents at the border—that’s Customs and Border Patrol—it does hold and deport the parents.

When everyone is a target for deportation, immigration lawyers and some long-time law enforcement officials worry, the agency isn’t focusing resources on what it is supposed to be doing. “The stripping of discretion from ICE officers has been one of the most damaging policies that we’ve seen under this administration,” said Kate Voight, the associate director of government relations with AILA, a group of immigration lawyers that has testified to Congress on immigration issues. It’s a “system-wide escalation at the expense of due process and fairness.”

Under the new system, ICE’s stated commitment to respect has also gone out the window, critics say. When Sokol Vokshi, a 47-year old Long Island waiter whose immigration status has been working its way through the courts for years, reported to a scheduled meeting with ICE officials, he was handcuffed and taken to the airport. ICE wouldn’t let him say goodbye to his teenage daughter, and threw his lawyer out of the room, the attorney recalls.

“They have the discretion to implement the laws in a humanitarian way,” Altin Nanaj, Vokshi’s lawyer, said, “and they’re just acting like robots.” ICE agents may say they’re just doing their jobs, he said, “but so did the Nazis, and they were held accountable.”
 

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I agree that it doesn't work very well as a slogan yet because people are ignorant as hell. Thinking that "abolish ICE" means that we're gonna stop enforcing immigration would be like thinking that "abolish private prisons" means we're then just gonna release all the convicts out onto the street.

The idea is absolutely necessary,
god help us :dead:

***not allah, the jesus savior version. you know, the jesus who you share the religion with the racist piece of shyt white people who prayed to god that trump would get elected, and he granted their prayer. that god
 
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