Kamala destroys her political future trying to be cool

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***not allah, the jesus savior version. you know, the jesus who you share the religion with the racist piece of shyt white people who prayed to god that trump would get elected, and he granted their prayer. that god

How is the idea of getting rid of a bloated, unregulated 13 year old agency committing actual human rights violations not necessary?

Name another agency where its OWN career agents (not political appointees) are calling for it to be abolished.
 

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How is the idea of getting rid of a bloated, unregulated 13 year old agency committing actual human rights violations not necessary?

Name another agency where its OWN career agents (not political appointees) are calling for it to be abolished.
how many fukkING times do i have to repeat this?

WAIT TIL THE DEMS TAKE OFFICE. why push for this as an election issue? whose votes are you gaining that wouldnt have voted dem anyway? :dead:
 

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how many fukkING times do i have to repeat this?

WAIT TIL THE DEMS TAKE OFFICE. why push for this as an election issue? whose votes are you gaining that wouldnt have voted dem anyway? :dead:

So you agree with what I said, that the idea is necessary and it's just the presentation that's the issue? :what:

And the elections are over, we're two years away from the next one. My guess is that they're trying to move the Overton Window.
 

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How is the idea of getting rid of a bloated, unregulated 13 year old agency committing actual human rights violations not necessary?

Name another agency where its OWN career agents (not political appointees) are calling for it to be abolished.
it isnt necessary. its a terrible thing to campaign on, and a good thing to do once dems are back in the white house

go ahead and campaign on abolish ICE if you want to :yeshrug: knock yourself out
 

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So you agree with what I said, that the idea is necessary and it's just the presentation that's the issue? :what:

And the elections are over, we're two years away from the next one. My guess is that they're trying to move the Overton Window.

He's right tho. It's not something to run on. Ideally, Demos should have control of the Senate as well before asking for it.

I've always thought that Demos have had great ideas but a lot of times they get a bit too zealous and they overplay their hand. They want to believe so bad the American people are logical but they are not.
 

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So instead of using a slogan that can provoke the conversation and allow people to be educated on what really is...you know, create more knowledgeable voters, let's just ignore the problem because it might turn off some. This sort of logic is pretty trash, "we wouldn't want to alienate voters" is at the heart of a majority of neoliberal failings too; they'd rather not alienate voters so they embrace ignorant views or at the very least off no pushback against them.
 

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she has a white husband. how is that going to go over in the hood? how are the people who hate on jesse williams and michael b jordan going to defend that? but, she is right here. ICE is a bush era creation.
 

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Dems who play that Disband ICE game are fukking stupid. This is the logical conclusion to such a dumb policy statement. Slippery slope that leads to one upsmanship.
She is where she is, it’s not like she was ever a legitimate presidential candidate
 

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I agree that it doesn't work very well as a slogan yet because people are ignorant as hell. Thinking that "abolish ICE" means that we're gonna stop enforcing immigration would be like thinking that "abolish private prisons" means we're then just gonna release all the convicts out onto the street.

The idea is absolutely necessary, it just needs to be communicated to ignorant voters. When you poll voters on all the major immigration controversies, the majority fall on the Democratic side of damn near every one. People don't want a wall, they don't want random non-criminals forcibly deported, they want a path to citizenship for the DACA kids, they don't want children separated from parents, etc. The majority of the populace wouldn't want ICE if they knew what it meant.




You seem to have no clue what's going on, and that's why you're mad.

ICE operates as it's own agency outside of all the other law enforcement agencies in the Department of Justice. Other law enforcement like the FBI are subject to the DOJ, have checks and balances and follow established procedure. ICE is off on its own in Homeland Security with no meaningful accountability, and it's become a rogue agency.

Even ICE agents are calling for ICE to be disbanded. They say the problems are too severe to just "change the culture", and the only way to change it is to scrap it completely and start over again:

19 ICE agents write letter calling on Homeland Security to abolish the controversial agency



No one really knows what ICE is supposed to be. Politicians love that

“The progressive call to ‘abolish ICE’ is not just a knee-jerk anger at cops,” said Moira Whelan, a former DHS official who also worked on the first Congressional oversight committee for the agency. “It is also a recognition that they aren’t doing what we built them to do.”
If I could fit everything you posted here in a 30 second ad, I would. You always give the GOAT breakdowns.
 

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If I could fit everything you posted here in a 30 second ad, I would. You always give the GOAT breakdowns.
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God, I wish I knew anything whatsoever about multimedia shyt. I didn't grow up with a lot and all I ever got are words and numbers. If I had grown up with a video camera and editing equipment I feel I could be making a difference out there, but no one will read for nothing anymore. :heh:
 

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she has a white husband. how is that going to go over in the hood? how are the people who hate on jesse williams and michael b jordan going to defend that? but, she is right here. ICE is a bush era creation.

She's not even an all Black African American. We can't stake claim on her.
 
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